minmax
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don't forget Donnerhall, or Nimmerdor/Atlantus/Wolfgang or Rohdiamant. Just some that I like.
Best warmbloods?
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volatis
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Weltmeyer, Florestan, Consul, Gribaldi - just some of my favourites
htobago
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What do you mean when you say "voltaire lines"? Does that mean that Voltaire is tha father? Or is it further back?
The reason I ask, is that in breeding we list out the sire x dam sire x great dam sire, like this; Burggraaf x Heartbreaker x Ramiro Z. It keeps it simple, whereas some earlier stated that they had a "Ramiro Parco Darco" horse. Well, darco will always be the father of Parco so that doesn't need to be mentioned, unless the horse is line bred to darco (which would be shocking breeding). I've seen people list their horses in H&H as "Voltaire Concorde lines", well again, Voltaire is Concorde's dad, and so that will never change. It's the stallions which appear in the motherline which are interesting.
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Well, when you say 'in breeding' you mean 'in WB breeding'. Many other breeds do not list their horses' breeding like this. In Arab breeding for example we use the more traditional Sire (sire x dam) x Dam (sire x dam).
I don't like the WB way of listing much - it totally ignores the dams (only their sires are considered relevant) and female lines (and thus totally ignores the tail-female line, which I have always been taught is particularly important).
One ends up with an entirely stallion-dominated view of breeding, when in fact the mares are contributing 50% of the genes, and have an even greater influence through 'nurture'. Great stallions are often bred to large numbers of mares, some of which are bound to be mediocre, so if I see Burggraaf x Heartbreaker x Ramiro Z, I'm not necessarily going to be impressed until I know about the damlines!
What do you mean when you say "voltaire lines"? Does that mean that Voltaire is tha father? Or is it further back?
The reason I ask, is that in breeding we list out the sire x dam sire x great dam sire, like this; Burggraaf x Heartbreaker x Ramiro Z. It keeps it simple, whereas some earlier stated that they had a "Ramiro Parco Darco" horse. Well, darco will always be the father of Parco so that doesn't need to be mentioned, unless the horse is line bred to darco (which would be shocking breeding). I've seen people list their horses in H&H as "Voltaire Concorde lines", well again, Voltaire is Concorde's dad, and so that will never change. It's the stallions which appear in the motherline which are interesting.
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Well, when you say 'in breeding' you mean 'in WB breeding'. Many other breeds do not list their horses' breeding like this. In Arab breeding for example we use the more traditional Sire (sire x dam) x Dam (sire x dam).
I don't like the WB way of listing much - it totally ignores the dams (only their sires are considered relevant) and female lines (and thus totally ignores the tail-female line, which I have always been taught is particularly important).
One ends up with an entirely stallion-dominated view of breeding, when in fact the mares are contributing 50% of the genes, and have an even greater influence through 'nurture'. Great stallions are often bred to large numbers of mares, some of which are bound to be mediocre, so if I see Burggraaf x Heartbreaker x Ramiro Z, I'm not necessarily going to be impressed until I know about the damlines!