Bf question... Accredited recommended training...

Currently I would say UKNHCP,but I think with the way BF is going(growing and growing) it would have to be WCF. I don't think the 4 year apprenticship and the 100s of horses they see during this time can be matched by any other training. Bf is here to stay and more and more farriers have working bf horses on their books. Some have only barefoot horses. I don't think any organasation is going to be able to compete with the 'training through experience' offered by farriery school. If barefoot continues to grow the trimming schools might be able to offer a comparative course using the brilliant stuff they already have,but adding the opportunity to see more feet and to see the long term consequences of any trim applied to said feet.
 
Thank you, I'm considering a huge shake up... And I may look into doing the training, to date from talking with farriers that I hugely respect there is only I person that they trust as a trimmer... In the county. So I'm going to look into it.
 
I know a few more than that who can be trusted ;) :D

The Dr Kellon NRC Plus course is a required part of the UKNHCP training. At the moment - she is offering her Christmas offer of buy one, get one free for her courses ;)
 
OberBaubles said:
I know a few more than that who can be trusted ;) :D

The Dr Kellon NRC Plus course is a required part of the UKNHCP training. At the moment - she is offering her Christmas offer of buy one, get one free for her courses ;)
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What I meant was, there is only one in this area of Cornwall that my farrier and another farrier I trust, respects and actually work with and share practices.:)

Thank you, I will look at the courses... The uknhcp website looks out of date... There is nothing about 2013 schedule and prices. :(
 
The_Snow_Queen said:
What I meant was, there is only one in this area of Cornwall that my farrier and another farrier I trust, respects and actually work with and share practices.:)

Thank you, I will look at the courses... The uknhcp website looks out of date... There is nothing about 2013 schedule and prices. :(
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They usually start the application process Jan time.

Sarah Braithwaite is the person to ask :)
http://www.performancebarefoot.co.uk/sarahbraithwaiteatperformancebarefoot.html

I know really excellent trimmers who come from each 'school' and also some who trained with an organisation but don't register with anyone in favour of being totally independent.
 
Thank you for all the information it really helps :) with regards to insurance, what is the standpoint for practitioners? Can practitioners from both training schools obtain full insurance for practicing?
 
abitodd said:
Currently I would say UKNHCP,but I think with the way BF is going(growing and growing) it would have to be WCF.
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It is not even in the WCF/FRC syllabus, how can you give a blanket recommendation to that training?

Many apprentices see no hard working barefoot horses during their 4 years, it depends entirely on whether their masters have any on their books.
 
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I would recommend any trimmer, be it a farrier or a completely unqualified person, who has lots of sound barefoot horses working really hard in their care.

For qualifications I would go for UKNHCP first and UKEP next.
 
The_Snow_Queen said:
Thank you for all the information it really helps :) with regards to insurance, what is the standpoint for practitioners? Can practitioners from both training schools obtain full insurance for practicing?
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I think you'll find that since it is perfectly legal for anyone to charge to trim, that insurance is available to anyone who will pay for it, and is not necessarily any guide to the competence of the trimmer.
 
cptrayes said:
I would recommend any trimmer, be it a farrier or a completely unqualified person, who has lots of sound barefoot horses working really hard in their care.

For qualifications I would go for UKNHCP first and UKEP next.
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With regards to post training, are then any insurance restrictions for trimmers... Can trimmers get insurance to practice? Are only certain accredited practitioners recognised by horse insurance companies? Lots of questions, but would hate to train, go to set up practice and find I can't get insurance or I can't get clients because their insurance won't recognises and pay out for a trimmer with my qualifications... If you get what I mean?
 
cptrayes said:
I think you'll find that since it is perfectly legal for anyone to charge to trim, that insurance is available to anyone who will pay for it, and is not necessarily any guide to the competence of the trimmer.
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Ah ok, no I realise, insurance is a completely different subject to competence but its something I need to consider...
 
It's a legal activity so the insurers should insure you, it's just a matter of cost. With the organisations you might get group cover cheaper, I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure getting Professional Indemnity cover won't be a problem.
 
I'm training with the Equine Sciences Academy as well. I think training is often what you make of it and what you put in. I've got a long way to go and I'm meandering on the way; lots of other conferences and other courses etc. think the UKNHCP is probably quite similar in content areas but they have more set practicals where as with the ESA you do a minimum of one per term. I've done a number of practical days and plan to do loads more as some great instructors both in UK and abroad.

There are some schools which have one main person, others have lots of teachers. Some more practical, some more theory. Some self learning where onus on you and others where you are always taught. Think its about prioritising what works for you in terms of your learning needs and style and then seeing what programme you most interested in. A lot is down to personal choice and I always try to chat with other trimmers and learn more. If there are events in the UK I will try to go to those, even went to the Handmade Shoes farrier development event that the organisers kindly let me attend earlier in the year.

I never planned the ESA route, I was completely set on going to train in with Jaime Jackson. I just did a four day ESA course to check it all out before heading to the USA. I really liked the UK instructors and chose to stick with ESA. Glad I did. Some amazing advisory panel people with loads of different perspectives.

With regards to insurance I'm insured with Eastlake and Beacham (unsure on spelling) I don't do any paid advertising, I have business cards and info on my car where I refer to myself as a Trainee Trimmer and I just do a few horses each Saturday through word of mouth. I always say to new people to speak to their farrier, they should be able to help and anyone who doesn't seem to be up for a whole horse approach I usually just say ill email them info rather than book an appointment. If they chase me that's great, I will help if not then no worries.

Oberbaubles - hello! Unsure if I know you? Everyone has diff nicknames

If you want to ask about anything else just pm me or I you can call.

ESA has had one complete finisher so far of the Equine Sciences Degree and Hoof Care Certification her website is www.nativehoof.com and she's from the States , she's learned a hell of a lot through the course and put in a load of work.

I think what ever choice if you want to make it you will, you learn from all experiences and nothing is ever wasted, it all has its place.

Best wishes
Hannah
 
Pale Rider said:
Any American or Australian based courses, light years ahead of the UK.
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I don't agree with you PR. I don't believe that the AANHCP is anywhere near as good as the UKNHCP. In particular, I believe from things that their members write and say that they focus too heavily on wild horse models that do not apply to domestic horses; they take off flare before working out whether it is structural and they do not have enough focus on diet. And I am very unhappy with one man being so key to US EP because it prevents cross fertilisation of ideas. The man has even been known to insist that his trainees swear an oath to train with no-one but him. How can that be good?
 
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Ok CP don't lose any sleep, lol.
I think you'd find it very diverse and a lot more research has been done than here.
The usual, British is best, when in fact we are pretty backward.
 
The founders of UKNHCP trained with AANHCP. :D They might have moved on but they still got a good foundation. That is the point of training... a good solid foundation.
 
I totted up a good four or so of the training programmes. They all from what I remember come in, in excess of £5,000 once you start to actually tot it all up. There is also more hidden costs that vary for instance travel to get to practicals, other courses recommended, that you end up going on as can't bear to miss out. You can't sit through a Katy Watts lecture then meet her and not buy her stuff, or I can't! After i came back from Scotland a few years ago i enrolled onto the Dr Kellon NRC plus course, so its all extras, depends if you can hold out or can't resist spending!

Sometimes you stay at instructors houses and that makes it cheaper it just varies. I've been introduced to so much information, I love being around like minded people. When I went out to the first ESA conference and the Whole Horse Sypmposium they delivered it was fantastic..I spent two weeks a few years ago in Scotland and just love being around the instructor up there and her family, they are just nice normal interesting people. Many of the advisory panel http://www.equinesciencesacademy.com/esa_00000d.htm were at the conference and ran workshops and were available to just talk to, same with the Instructors including the UK ones who came over. I went around and bought up a lot of the different material for sale.. and it's very useful, but the pennies at up. I figure though its useful for my personal development, my professional development, my business development, my horses development and its my holidays so if you divide all the costs (bit like my sister and shoe cost per wear!) then yes it does add up but it's worth it!

For my like Cptrayes mentioned I like to have a selection of people for differing views, I'm not really a one person follower in any sphere I'm more pick and choose. ESA places a lot of empathsis on your own critical thinking, and intuition after doing your own analysis, sometimes this makes it harder as there isn't a set of steps, which some people prefer.

Did wonder whether Oberon dressed up for Christmas!

There are lots of good courses and programmes I think it's just choosing you most important criteria and which school has most of them.. Which may change, my main criteria had been predominantly taught course not self study hence why I'd looked at AANHCP, however being one that liked many diff things I'm unsure I would have suited, who knows and people differ and you can mold and change once you have the certification. Lots of schools open up there conferences and professional development so can pick and mix what takes your fancy.

Right I'm actually off work this morning to try get into my farriery science exam.. and procrastinating. My last exam took 7 hours so hoping I can get through this one quicker!

Sorry, gone on far to long!

Best wishes
Hannah
 
amandap said:
The founders of UKNHCP trained with AANHCP. :D They might have moved on but they still got a good foundation. That is the point of training... a good solid foundation.
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Amanda their "moving on" has been to pioneer mineral balancing as the final answer to difficult horses, and to work out what NOT to do that they were taught to do - remove structural flair. As far as I am aware the AANHCP training is still to remove flair regardless. I'd be extremely happy to hear that I am wrong about that.
 
Pale Rider said:
Ok CP don't lose any sleep, lol.
I think you'd find it very diverse and a lot more research has been done than here.
The usual, British is best, when in fact we are pretty backward.
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But we follow their research avidly PR. It doesn't have to be done in this country for our trimmers to benefit from it. It does not make us backward as trimmers just because there is more funding in the US, as long as we keep our ears and eyes open.
 
cptrayes said:
Amanda their "moving on" has been to pioneer mineral balancing as the final answer to difficult horses, and to work out what NOT to do that they were taught to do - remove structural flair. As far as I am aware the AANHCP training is still to remove flair regardless. I'd be extremely happy to hear that I am wrong about that.
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I am aware of the mineral balancing and also the work Nic is doing independently with self trimming.
I of course have no idea about structural flare and their approach or if they even recognize it. Jaime Jackson 'ignores' pathology or deviation from his natural horse parameters in my understanding, be that right, wrong or even arrogant I don't know. Many do not agree with this model, I happen to believe domestic horses cannot provide a model because their hooves are totally man made. So any model based on a domestic horse is a human invention rather than learning from the horse in as non human interfered environment as possible. Learning from horses is still down to our interpretation but at least most of us are trying to learn from the experts on hooves.

What I do know is there is not only one way that suits all domestic horses and I include self trimming domestic horses in that, especially if enough movement or work cannot be done. No one person knows it all either whoever that may be. Domestic horses are completely at our mercy and willingness to try to 'get it right' or better from conception to death.

Learning from many sources and successful trimmers is something we should all do.
 
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