BHHS Part-bred Foal Passport... NO MARE LINE INFO????

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Just received my foal's passport today. I went for the British Hanoverian Horse Society because 1) it was the society issuing the covering certificate and 2) I wanted to support a British Studbook....

And to my great upset, I received the passport today with my foal's Hanoverian sire's full pedigree to the 5th generation and... my broodmare's name... no breed, no pedigree, nothing...

Now, my mare is DNA tested ISH in possession of a green passport from the Irish Horse Register with full 5 generation pedigree - and a VERY good one at that...

Why would the BHHS think her pedigree irrelevant??? Is the fact she isn't Hanoverian somehow making her not worth recording? I did not breed her to a Hanoverian stallion to erase the shame of her not being a warmblood... I bred her to him to complement her fabulous frame and movement and jump and presence. She has contributed to who the foal is just as much as the stallion did AND I actually believe that the absence of information about this fantastic mare's pedigree might actually DEVALUE my foal going forward.

My mare's previous filly by a Trakhener stallion was registered with the British Warmblood Society and her passport shows the mare's full pedigree.

I know Sywell on here is involved with the BHHS and I really hope he can convince me that the BHHS is not treating part bred horses as second class citizens...

I spent some time deciding whether "going public" rather than taking this up directly with the studbook was the right thing to do. However, if like me, other people feel that this is completely wrong, then perhaps that would have more weight in the balance.

I'd like to know your thoughts.
 
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I am sorry that this person is unhappy but they will not get the error put right untill they contact the studbook. The policy is that we put mare details in part bred passports by approved studbooks. As far as the IHB is concerned we have had problems with them when they issued a passport for Meister by Medoc out of a SHGB mare and we had issued a passport for this horse in the year of its birth to the breeder Ros Broadbank and when I complained to Nicholas Finnerty he said Medoc was not licensed in Irelend as a stallion and he would do nothing about the Irish passport for a horse of unknown breeding so Meister became Red Baron a horse now competing Internationally in Ireland. I am not saying we do not accept IHB pedigrees and I am sorry about this persons complaint.
 
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I am sorry that this person is unhappy but they will not get the error put right untill they contact the studbook. The policy is that we put mare details in part bred passports by approved studbooks. As far as the IHB is concerned we have had problems with them when they issued a passport for Meister by Medoc out of a SHGB mare and we had issued a passport for this horse in the year of its birth to the breeder Ros Broadbank and when I complained to Nicholas Finnerty he said Medoc was not licensed in Irelend as a stallion and he would do nothing about the Irish passport for a horse of unknown breeding so Meister became Red Baron a horse now competing Internationally in Ireland. I am not saying we do not accept IHB pedigrees and I am sorry about this persons complaint.
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Surely, if the mare is DNA'd with a full, generation shown ISH passport this means that the breeding was accepted by the ISH as legitimate otherwise it would have been left blank as the BHHS has done with this foal? :confused:

FWIW Ginnie, I think you've done the right thing by bringing to attention for others that might not be so clued up but Sywell is right; you should take it up with the society so that it can be corrected. I had a SPSS passport back once that only showed the mare was of unknown breeding; fair enough, she was but she was also graded with them and with that information missing it meant diddly squat. It had just been human error, it was meant to have been there in the first place so this might be the case this time too.
Whatever you do, please do copy the paperwork (sketch, vaccinations if started and the main registration page) then send it Recorded Delivery at least to save having to start again if it's lost. A friend has lost several registrations in the post, they haven't arrived with CHAPS so she has to go through the expense of more sketches; not funny at all. :(
Good luck, let us know how it goes.
 
Exactly the same thing happened to me with the BHHS, passport came back blank on the mares side. Took a bit of doing especially as the foal was by then sold and in its new home but managed to get them to add the mares (fully verified) pedigree on, in the end. My mare had a Wetherbys NTR passport.

I used to be part bred registrar for the TBF and although we had to have copies of the mares passport (or sire if that was the non Trak part) we always included the mares breeeding if was from a verified studbook.
 
Thanks everyone for your input.

You are quite right, I probably should have contacted the studbook before I got off on one on here, and for that, I apologise. And of course, I will write to them with a copy of the mare's papers and the foal's passport for amending, Recorded Delivery (thank you Maesfen).

However, I still feel that it is a useful public debate to have. How many "trying to trace my horse's background" threads have you all seen on here? How many times have I heard people lament at the lack of recording of bloodlines - and especially so in Irish breeding! The studbooks are the custodians of the breeding history of our performance (and leisure) horses and it is important they take this reponsibility seriously. I do hope it was a simple mistake, it happens, and not simply the BHHS taking a cavalier attitude to the management of their part-bred studbook.
 
I have also had problems with exactly the same thing.

The dam of the filly I bred this year is registered part bred Hannoverian with the BHHS but her passport only gives the breeding of the sire in full, listing the dam by name but no further pedigree. This mare has HIS papers with full breeding recognised so why it wasn't put onto 'my' mare's papers I don't know.
Sadly her owner/breeder didn't realise the implications at the time but having got photo copies of the missing paperwork I am hoping that the WBS-UK will recognise the breeding and include it on my filly's passport.
 
At least you got your passport. I posted a few weeks ago after recieving someone elses passport and still havent recieved mine.

I feel like im banging my head against a brick wall.
 
My horse has an AHS passport and his dam isn't recorded on there at all as she isn't AHS registered (she is Hanovarian x TB and registered with Sport Horse Breeding GB) Luckily I got him from the stud where he was bred so I know all his breeding. I was going to get his passport overstamped with SHB GB but I decided not to as he's a gelding and I'm not going to sell him anyway!
 
"Just received my foal's passport today. I went for the British Hanoverian Horse Society because ..................... and 2) I wanted to support a British Studbook...."

Is the BHHS really a British studbook? If the foal were to go on to achieve great things, would the Hanoverians not get the credit in the world rankings?
 
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