BIG hoof problems WARNING very long post, sorry

[serena2005]

the day i got him....

these pics he was probably at his best... check 2nd pics feets, this was take a few weeks after my farrier was told to stop shoeing him, new farrier didnt see what was wrong with leaving him to go 10 weeks when he should be shod at least every 6!

 

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That is interesting, his forlimb conformaion, from this angle, looks to be the same as Ted's. In the second pic his feet are long which will not help wth a broken back axis. However they are not horrendous and i consider these to be hooves of a fairly desent standard. Have you got any front on pictures of his forelegs? I want to see what ho looks like. Ask the farrier to come every 6 weeeks (ted is shod every 3 to 4) aqnd when he comes.. over his a cup of tea, be nice to him and express your concerns and ask if it would be posisble to readress the balance. Possibly considering leaving the flare on the hoof as this is how thehorse obviously wants it to sit.
Lou x

Ps This is a picture of ted. Is you look at his legs you will see he is knock kneed and in order to correct this the hoof has rotated slightly inwards and therefore flared out Medially. Becasue of racing practisies his feet are broken back as he spent the summer out. He is perfectly sound and when the medial heel of the shoe was extended and widened it was possible for the hoof to begin to repair and hopefully a year from now the broken back axis will have improved.

 

[serena2005]

just read your sig... lol my farrier cold shoes!! lol

not sure if you can really see from this pic?

 

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He looks to be knock need. not so much as ted but it is there.. This will make the horses more prone to weakness in the hoove. As i can see from the picture he has quite flat feet too. Dman TB! lol I do think this is a case of a mixture of things.. I do definatly think that it is not all the farriers fault though..

He has fairly unright and long pasterns also. These are all conformational issues which point towards a horse becomeing uncomfortable in his work. As the possibility of absess/corn, if you think this is a possibility, hot poltice the foot and see if anything draws.. If you go down this root do try and not poltice the fetlock as it will merge out there and you will be in serious mayther.



My sig is a personal joke with a friend of mine.. he understands it.. noone else will lol.

 

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The thing is his feet are fairly fine.. They are not that serious.. the problems with them are not that serious..

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Take a look back at the original post

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lame for... well as long as iv had him (1 year)



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When would you consider the situation to become serious?

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The broken back is due to poor shoes/ conformation.

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Consider the photograph of 30/04/06 and the first post picture. Are you saying his conformation has changed? This imbalance is most probably the result of incorrect trimming.
You say "Poor shoes" or do you mean poor shoeing?

Teds condition does appear to be conformational, he has offset knees, this will place more weight on the inside (medial aspect) of his leg hence the tendency for medial flaring of the hoof.
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the broken back axis can be fixed but a whole new horn growth would be require

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corrective farriery could probably restore the hoof balance in one session.
I do not think it is fair for you to claim that this horse is in any way "fine" .
I think Serenas concerns are very sensible in what is quite an awkward situation with regards to the owner. She does seem to understand that there is a problem with the way the feet are, and is making the effort to get them corrected.
Most people will seek high standards for there horses and a good thing too. We all need to do our bit to make this a less common ( normal) problem.

 

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Yes.. the horse is lame.. Is it even proven that the lameness is from the foot and not for instance the shoulder.

The overall condition of the hooves is no great concern. The hooves themself do not look that appauling.

Of course i ment shoeing and you are picking and being pernicaty by state that i used incorrect grammer. Dont be so damned childish.

At no point have i said or suggested that the horses conformation has changed. I am suggesting that due to conformational problems the horse could be feeling pain.

Also.. i know why Ted's feet are as they are as i have discribed to the poster. I can see perfectly well that ted has carpul Valgus. Ted's feet do flare medially as i stated and all of this is due to poor conformtion as i stated.. some of it aquired!

I have said that the broken back axis will require a new horn growth as radical remedial farriery will render the horse no sounder.

Lou x

 

[loopylucifer]

oh dear a few ocnflicting opinions!
surely whilst the problem is not serious there is clearly an issue with soundness on that leg and therefore with over 80% of lamness occur in the feet this is a gd starting point. ALL FEET SHOULD BE BALANCED it dosent matter what the horse does or what breed although conformation does have its limitations. having been told for sometime nothing more could be done for my neds feet (and i belived it) but haveing changed farriers and had many xrays turns out much could be done see photos in my post!!

 

[wizzi901]

Some TB's have bad feet down to bad shoeing!!! Ours came with flat feet, not dissimilar to your photos, no heel to talk of etc. It really would not take much more than 6 months of decent remedial work to get this chap comfy and sound no doubt.

GRRRRRR

 

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HI Lou. In these posts I am simply expressing my own opinions, some will no doubt disagree with me, in which case I look forward to a good debate, this tests all the ideas that are put forward and hopefully the better ones will stand. If you say things that I disagree with I will point them out to you.
I would like to be able to persuade you that these feet do give reasonable cause for concern, many of the other posts do seem to support this.

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radical remedial farriery will render the horse no sounder.


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I can see perfectly well that ted has carpul Valgus.

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Perhaps you could check the definition of this, it may not be the term you were looking for.

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being pernicaty by state that i used incorrect grammer.

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I have never criticised your grammar, it is your opinion that interests me.

No hard feelings.

 

[serena2005]

wow i didnt realise this would spark off such a debate!!!

i understand his conformation doesnt help the fact he has poor feet, and the farrier doesnt seem to be helping either...

when i had the farrier before he made that very clear that his conformation will always cause problems in his feet, and because of his low heals it would but strain on all the muscles in his legs. he was aiming to set the shoe back to encourage the heal to grow so his tendons would have more support. but we didnt get that far . it also doesnt help he has extreamly soft feet which dont seem to grow very fast!!

its not just that his feet are in bad shape, the left front is a completely different shape to the right.

 

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carpul valgus is the term used to describe teds legs by numourous farrier lectureers and vetinary practitioners.. i take there oppion befor others.
Lou x

 

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wow i didnt realise this would spark off such a debate!!!

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I'm glad it did.

Hopefully the owner can be persuaded that this horse can be helped.
Good farriery should always take Conformation into consideration as your previous farrier indicated. Even a well conformed horse could be allowed to develop unbalanced feet. Re-balancing could just be a case of shortening the toe by trimming from the ground surface (bottom) rasping the dished front wall flat and fitting a wedge to lift the heel. However like most things there is more detail to this and in order to get it to work properly, your farrier will have to have experience of this method. Odd feet

That's another subject for debate

I think the first priority here is to get the feet rebalanced, they are definitely incorrect. They could be improved and appear to be a likely cause of his lameness. The very best of luck with this. If you do get some corrective work done it would be nice to see some photos

 

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Hi Loobie Lou

Here are some pics that might explain why I referred to Teds condition as offset (sometimes called bench knee). The first is a foal with classic carpal valgus ( lateral deviation) here the metacarpal bones clearly run out from the centre line.

I've put on a few lines to show the difference

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I hope you can see them O.K.

 

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Ok.. thanx for the definitions. Ted when stood sqaure is Carpul Valgus. As you can see from the image he is not square.

Ted has received gait analysis which showed that he was CV and that it did not effect his movement.

Yes ted has ofset knees which we are refering to as knock kneed. As i have stated he has been labled CV by farrier tutors/vets and gait analysts.

You definition of CV is exactly as i know it. However as i am sure u are aware there is much debate about CV and a true definition for it. This will be an on going debate. Until it is resolved.. we can agree to disagree.

Lou x

 

[luckilotti]

hi
just wanted to know if the vet had been yet and if so - what did they say? whats happening?