Bird scarer petition

[Spring Feather]

You will now have people PMing you wanting to know my identity. It's not nice, especially given the tone of this thread.

For heavens sake. No one PMs me unless their pregnant mare is having problems or they want to know how to do the milk testing!

ETA: I have been the victim of stalking before and so yes, this is a subject I am very sensitive about.

Well I'm very sorry about that. I did not know.

 

[Spring Feather]

Don't bother replying to me as I'm leaving this thread and won't contribute to any further threads of yours. I wish you well with your gas guns Wagtail.

 

[Wagtail]

For heavens sake. No one PMs me unless their pregnant mare is having problems or they want to know how to do the milk testing!


Well I'm very sorry about that. I did not know.

I too am sorry SF if you hadn't meant to come over as sinister. It probably only is to someone who has been a victim before as I have and you weren't to know. But also, on here, someone emailed me some screenshots of a facebook conversation about me and about mistaken identity and threatening to pay that person a visit. All very respected members on here. I was totally shocked by it at the time that people would even do that.

 

[weebarney]

Can you not change the details shown about you Hun so the Australian thing doesn't come up?

 

[weebarney]

Or hide your location details altogether ?

 

[Wagtail]

Or hide your location details altogether ?

Yes. I have only just started using facebook so have not been familiar with it.

 

[RunToEarth]

I find it so odd how you can accuse someone of stalking you (which is a serious accusation) when you have details readily available online when you have previously been a victim of stalking.

Stepping away from this thread now as I think OP has genuine issues in life, and has taken absolutely none of the helpful advice on this thread - ignorance is only bliss for the ignorant wagtail, for the rest of us it's just a pain in the bum.

 

[jrp204]

Frankly, I couldn't give a stuff who people are, I enjoy the forum, I know a few people on here, not many, and have no interest in pm'ing another user or FB stalking to 'out' a member. I will never meet most users so knowing their real name is totally irrelevant.
There has been some good advice on here which seems to be ignored but then I suppose that is the OPs prerogative.
I'm off too, got sheep to feed.

 

[canteron]

I find it so odd how you can accuse someone of stalking you (which is a serious accusation) when you have details readily available online when you have previously been a victim of stalking.

Stepping away from this thread now as I think OP has genuine issues in life, and has taken absolutely none of the helpful advice on this thread - ignorance is only bliss for the ignorant wagtail, for the rest of us it's just a pain in the bum.

A bit of kindness sometimes really doesn't hurt RTE and I am sorry you come across as someone who likes to 'tell it as it is' to others but is very sensitive about your own views.

Let me tell you about Gas Guns, sorry, but they aren't as effective as the bird kite in the sky scarers (I really know that) which is why they are getting louder and more intrusive. If you have several around you and there isn't much wind, all the gas guns for miles around can go off and it can be almost like constant bombardment.

If your life isn't going well anyway, they DO impair sleep and life is always going to be more bleak if you are sleep deprived. If they are on daylight timers, at this time of year they can come on at 6am and go off at 6am at the moment, thats 12 hours of horrible battle field noises.

I am sorry, but I think farmers are a very strong lobby, and they should sometimes consider the communities they belong to. The farmers around here are absent landlords, they care about nothing but their bank balance - and their huge EGOS, the hedgerows have been grubbed out, I saw a field full of skylarks being sprayed over last Summer, I believe I have a good deal more awareness of what is happening on their land than they ever do, and I can tell you for a fact - that the most effective Pigeon scares are those bird kite things.

But whatever RTE, if you suspect someone is having a bit of a dip in life - be it in real life or Virtual Life, a bit of genuine thoughtfulness really doesn't hurt - you may want it yourself one day?

 

[Wagtail]

I find it so odd how you can accuse someone of stalking you (which is a serious accusation) when you have details readily available online when you have previously been a victim of stalking.

Stepping away from this thread now as I think OP has genuine issues in life, and has taken absolutely none of the helpful advice on this thread - ignorance is only bliss for the ignorant wagtail, for the rest of us it's just a pain in the bum.

This was never a thread asking for advice, I do not need advice. But thank you anyway.

 

[Wagtail]

A bit of kindness sometimes really doesn't hurt RTE and I am sorry you come across as someone who likes to 'tell it as it is' to others but is very sensitive about your own views.

Let me tell you about Gas Guns, sorry, but they aren't as effective as the bird kite in the sky scarers (I really know that) which is why they are getting louder and more intrusive. If you have several around you and there isn't much wind, all the gas guns for miles around can go off and it can be almost like constant bombardment.

If your life isn't going well anyway, they DO impair sleep and life is always going to be more bleak if you are sleep deprived. If they are on daylight timers, at this time of year they can come on at 6am and go off at 6am at the moment, thats 12 hours of horrible battle field noises.

I am sorry, but I think farmers are a very strong lobby, and they should sometimes consider the communities they belong to. The farmers around here are absent landlords, they care about nothing but their bank balance - and their huge EGOS, the hedgerows have been grubbed out, I saw a field full of skylarks being sprayed over last Summer, I believe I have a good deal more awareness of what is happening on their land than they ever do, and I can tell you for a fact - that the most effective Pigeon scares are those bird kite things.

But whatever RTE, if you suspect someone is having a bit of a dip in life - be it in real life or Virtual Life, a bit of genuine thoughtfulness really doesn't hurt - you may want it yourself one day?

It is nice to see there are some thoughtful and feeling people, Canteron. However, I think that it is actually people like RTE who have the real problems. I would not swap my life for theirs in a million years.

 

[jrp204]

This was never a thread asking for advice, I do not need advice. But thank you anyway.

Maybe that's why you still have gas guns going off? If you post a thread, regardless of its title you will get responses, many have made suggestions that may just improve your life. I fully appreciate we are not living your life, just as you are not living ours, you do not have exclusivity on stress or lack of sleep but most people would welcome helpful advice and maybe even act on it.
Really am going to feed the lambs now.

 

[Wagtail]

Frankly, I couldn't give a stuff who people are, I enjoy the forum, I know a few people on here, not many, and have no interest in pm'ing another user or FB stalking to 'out' a member. I will never meet most users so knowing their real name is totally irrelevant.
There has been some good advice on here which seems to be ignored but then I suppose that is the OPs prerogative.
I'm off too, got sheep to feed.

Again, this is not a thread asking for advice. Why do you and others feel the need to force advice on people that is not asked for? Had I written a post about the scarers and asked WWYD I would understand. But I didn't, I asked people to sign a petition if they agreed with it.

 

[Wagtail]

And Wagtail, your response to this was "thank you for your contribution" . . . this is why I questioned your sarcasm . . . honestly, I'm baffled by this/your attitude/the point of this thread . . . so I'm another who is walking away.

P

Because I was not asking for advice, or to be put through a barrage of intrusive questions, or to have people look me up on facebook and let me know they had done so. It is just a thread about a petition, and it has turned into a witch hunt.

 

[RunToEarth]

It is nice to see there are some thoughtful and feeling people, Canteron. However, I think that it is actually people like RTE who have the real problems. I would not swap my life for theirs in a million years.

I'm a problem solver and I love to find answers to questions. That you chose to battle on through life as some kind of martar without addressing your own is telling of your own attitude.

 

[Serephin]

I'm a problem solver and I love to find answers to questions. That you chose to battle on through life as some kind of martar without addressing your own is telling of your own attitude.

Wow.

If its any consolation Wagtail, I think you have fought your corner well, but it shouldn't have had to be fought in the first place.

Now people are making snide comments about your character. Its just uncalled for and unnecessary.

Ignore them, as I am sure you will.

 

[Wagtail]

Wow.

If its any consolation Wagtail, I think you have fought your corner well, but it shouldn't have had to be fought in the first place.

Now people are making snide comments about your character. Its just uncalled for and unnecessary.

Ignore them, as I am sure you will.

Yes. Snide comments about character are used when people have lost the argument. As soon as I see that happening that is exactly what I think.

 

[Jericho]

The issue with these gas gun bird scarers is that some of them are placed adjacent to public rights of way and left on continually 24/7. They can not only be heard outdoors but also indoors and when they are exploding 24/7 this is not fair to people or their pets
Unfortunately there is no legislation that is directed at these devices which means that even the local authorities have little or no power to take action against landowners/farmers who are causing a nuisance with these devices.
It is not a matter of getting used to these devices if they explode in close proximity to a horse they will scare it as is there purpose to scare animals away.
Some of you may recall the occasion when the Queen was riding Burmese (An ex Canadian police Horse) at Trooping of the Colour and someone fired a starting pistol at her and even her horse reacted.
Farmers, landowners and Contractors have a duty of care to other people in the countryside and the fact they produce food does not discharge them of this moral duty as it is neither that of the owners of a food processing company.
Everyone has a right to live in the countryside and their environment should also be respected.
Farmers, Landowners and Contractors that are using these devices irresponsibly are doing themselves or their colleagues no favours as they will get these devices banned.

Agree totally

 

[weebarney]

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[ribbons]

You start a thread about bird scaring bangers.
You want absolutely no advice or help on solving your problem with them.
You refuse to talk to neighbours, who probably don't know how much the bangers are affecting you.
You refuse to report to the authorities that could solve your problem.
You want nothing less than unnecessary new legislation put in place.
You contradict yourself, are sarcastic to anyone who suggests ways to solve your problem, and you wonder why people are beginning to think its all a bit odd.

There is clearly more to this than meets the eye.

Like the other sensible people who've tried to help with your problem in ways other than supporting your ridiculous call for more expensive unnecessary legislation, I'm off. It's like banging your head against a brick wall.

 

[Wagtail]

You start a thread about bird scaring bangers.
You want absolutely no advice or help on solving your problem with them.
You refuse to talk to neighbours, who probably don't know how much the bangers are affecting you.
You refuse to report to the authorities that could solve your problem.
You want nothing less than unnecessary new legislation put in place.
You contradict yourself, are sarcastic to anyone who suggests ways to solve your problem, and you wonder why people are beginning to think its all a bit odd.

There is clearly more to this than meets the eye.

Like the other sensible people who've tried to help with your problem in ways other than supporting your ridiculous call for more expensive unnecessary legislation, I'm off. It's like banging your head against a brick wall.

Thank you.

 

[cobgoblin]

You start a thread about bird scaring bangers.
You want absolutely no advice or help on solving your problem with them.
You refuse to talk to neighbours, who probably don't know how much the bangers are affecting you.
You refuse to report to the authorities that could solve your problem.
You want nothing less than unnecessary new legislation put in place.
You contradict yourself, are sarcastic to anyone who suggests ways to solve your problem, and you wonder why people are beginning to think its all a bit odd.

There is clearly more to this than meets the eye.

Like the other sensible people who've tried to help with your problem in ways other than supporting your ridiculous call for more expensive unnecessary legislation, I'm off. It's like banging your head against a brick wall.

The original post was merely about signing a petition. I cannot see where advice was asked for ,let alone character assassination.
Some of the posts on this thread are verging on cyber-bullying, I can only hope that the posters involved are juveniles as it would be very disappointing for adults to behave this way.

 

[Wagtail]

The original post was merely about signing a petition. I cannot see where advice was asked for ,let alone character assassination.
Some of the posts on this thread are verging on cyber-bullying, I can only hope that the posters involved are juveniles as it would be very disappointing for adults to behave this way.

Sadly, all of them are adults. Though it is very much like being back at school on here at times.

 

[Clodagh]

But why make it more difficult for people to shoot Pigeons ?
There's no need for that , which is what stirred all this up.
It's a mad idea which will lead to more use of bird scarers which are not nice for anyone to live near .
If you wish to cease producing food that's fine do so others will do so on your land .the countryside is not exclusively an industrial landscape others live there and use it and it right we debate how agriculture impacts on those who live around it .
And that sensible policy's are found to find middle ground for all those who live in an area ,decreeing that all other methods of preventing bird nuisance must be tried before shooting is not sensible .

You are never going to shoot enough pigeons to prevent them eating crops, it can aid as a deterrent and if we have pigeon shooters on the land we turn off the bangers.
I have no problems with debate about agriculture, it is the constant moaning about farmers on here - they shouldn't drive their tractors on the road in harvest, they should allow horse riders and dog walkers free rein on their land, they shouldn't protect their crops etc., etc. Farming is an industry the countryside is not solely for recreation. Yes what farmers do impacts on others and I am sure that 99% of farmers take others into account, but if we tried to run our farms solely to keep everyone happy it wouldn't be viable. It is barely viable while upsetting people!
OH suggests I should start a petition for farmers to ban selling hay and straw to horseowners, but that would be silly. As is this debate!

 

[Wagtail]

You start a thread about bird scaring bangers. No, I started a thread about a petition.
You want absolutely no advice or help on solving your problem with them. Correct
You refuse to talk to neighbours, who probably don't know how much the bangers are affecting you. Again, I did not ask for or need any advice
You refuse to report to the authorities that could solve your problem. I refuse to do as you all tell me. How annoying.
You want nothing less than unnecessary new legislation put in place. It is not unnecessary. It may even save lives.
You contradict yourself, are sarcastic to anyone who suggests ways to solve your problem, and you wonder why people are beginning to think its all a bit odd. I think what is odd is how personal some people have become, and also digging around trying to find out my real life identity and then posting on here indicating that this is what you have done. THAT is odd.

There is clearly more to this than meets the eye. Oh really? How intriguing.

Like the other sensible people who've tried to help with your problem in ways other than supporting your ridiculous call for more expensive unnecessary legislation, I'm off. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. As I have said before, thank you. That would be much appreciated.

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[Pearlsasinger]

OH suggests I should start a petition for farmers to ban selling hay and straw to horseowners, but that would be silly. As is this debate!

Oh we're not supposed to be debating, just signing a petition and saying we have done so. There was obviously no intention by OP for any-one who didn't want to sign to explain why not on the thread.

 

[Wagtail]

Oh we're not supposed to be debating, just signing a petition and saying we have done so. There was obviously no intention by OP for any-one who didn't want to sign to explain why not on the thread.

No, you are wrong. I am quite happy for people to say why they would be against signing the petition. I don't have a problem with that at all. What I have a problem with is when I do not wish to take their unasked for advice they get nasty.

By all means debate away.

 

[Goldenstar]

You are never going to shoot enough pigeons to prevent them eating crops, it can aid as a deterrent and if we have pigeon shooters on the land we turn off the bangers.
I have no problems with debate about agriculture, it is the constant moaning about farmers on here - they shouldn't drive their tractors on the road in harvest, they should allow horse riders and dog walkers free rein on their land, they shouldn't protect their crops etc., etc. Farming is an industry the countryside is not solely for recreation. Yes what farmers do impacts on others and I am sure that 99% of farmers take others into account, but if we tried to run our farms solely to keep everyone happy it wouldn't be viable. It is barely viable while upsetting people!
OH suggests I should start a petition for farmers to ban selling hay and straw to horseowners, but that would be silly. As is this debate!

My comment about guns was made in the context of the proposed new regulations which will prevent the use of shooting to control nuisance birds before other methods have been tried .
This will increase the use of bird scarers where currently shooting is enough .

Some Farmers really need to get a grip their industry is no better or worse than any other there is no hierarchy in economic activity all economic is vital for the economy no business tops another.
People who are farmer or a teacher or say doctors don't top someone saying who owns a shop or works in a shop who pays tax that makes the whole merry go round go round .

If Clodaghs partner does not wish to sell hay and straw to horse owner he is at liberty to do so others will .
Horse owners buying stuff are keeping to keep the merry go round running just like everyone else .

 

[Wagtail]

You are never going to shoot enough pigeons to prevent them eating crops, it can aid as a deterrent and if we have pigeon shooters on the land we turn off the bangers.
I have no problems with debate about agriculture, it is the constant moaning about farmers on here - they shouldn't drive their tractors on the road in harvest, they should allow horse riders and dog walkers free rein on their land, they shouldn't protect their crops etc., etc. Farming is an industry the countryside is not solely for recreation. Yes what farmers do impacts on others and I am sure that 99% of farmers take others into account, but if we tried to run our farms solely to keep everyone happy it wouldn't be viable. It is barely viable while upsetting people!
OH suggests I should start a petition for farmers to ban selling hay and straw to horseowners, but that would be silly. As is this debate!

My haylage supplier would go out of business if he refused to sell to horse owners. That IS his business.

 

[Clodagh]

Some Farmers really need to get a grip their industry is no better or worse than any other there is no hierarchy in economic activity all economic is vital for the economy no business tops another.
People who are farmer or a teacher or say doctors don't top someone saying who owns a shop or works in a shop who pays tax that makes the whole merry go round go round .
.

Of course that is right, but we don't rant at supermarkets because they use lorries to transport goods and therefore might frighten our horses (I think!). Perhaps not a good example but I mean that farming is a highly visible industry and farmers get such a lot of flak.

And I did say it would be a silly idea to stop selling hay and straw to horseowners...lighten up a lilttle!