Bishop Burton - what a farse!

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Went on sunday for our second BE. Did BE100. Got 39 dressage, Clear SJ and Clear XC with time penalties. Really pleased.
But...when i finished a steward came up to me telling me off for going so fast. He said the optimum time is there to encourage people to go at a safe pace. I have a 17.1 tb cross with a very long stride. I just let him go round at his own pace and i got told that now they know my name and i need to be careful at my next event!? i know siren can move quickley on but no way was i unsafe!!
So i went and spoke to him at the end and he said everything was fine and i just need to go slower (haha try tell my horse!) i might stop for a picnic next time, lol!

But then i noticed that no one had had their time penalites added on for going under the time apart from me. He said this was very strange as they should have but then just said nothing!
How many penalties do you get per second for going under the time?!
Im not annoyed becos i can in the top 20 so im still pleased but its just a bit annoying!
Sorry for the rant!!
 
I could have sworn earlier in the day when I looked up results for BB on BDWP.co.uk that there was an apology for the course being incorrectly measured and therefore most people uncurring penalties for going too fast. May have been mistaken as when I have just looked now there is nothing mentioned! Might be worth contacting BE to find out.
 
oh right, i think im going to contact them anyway becos i really dont think i did anything wrong for the steward to speak to me like he did. Also he asked if he could talk to my parents....im 21!lol. I was so pleased with my result and it just put a dampener on the day.
 
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I could have sworn earlier in the day when I looked up results for BB on BDWP.co.uk that there was an apology for the course being incorrectly measured and therefore most people uncurring penalties for going too fast. May have been mistaken as when I have just looked now there is nothing mentioned! Might be worth contacting BE to find out.

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It is on the Pontispool page they talk about this! Many of the pros in the BE100 at Pontispool had TF time penalties which is very unusual as they are good judges of pace. Apparently it had been incorrectly wheeled.
 
I think you and si both did really well
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He needs to concentrate on being a show horse now anyway
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I thought it was pontispool that had been incorrectly measured and therefore masses getting penalties for going too fast.
 
Silly me! Knew I had seen it somewhere. As I said in my previous post "May have been mistaken". Thanks. Thought for one minute dementia had kicked in and I had imagined it all. Ha ha!
 
The BE stewards are there to ensure that the day runs safely. If you incurred too fast time penalties they have duty to speak to if they feel it is too many. If something happens to you in a few events and it has not been documented that they have already spoken to you, then BE could be liable for not making you aware of the optimum time and for giving you a warning. You may well have been safe on this occasion but you may not be every time if you meet a fence wrong - which we all do from time to time. The time for PN has been made more difficult to get this year, so that it becomes a bit less of a dressage competition and to also make the step from PN to novice more gradual.

I would take note of what the BE steward has said, accept that you went too fast and move onto your next event and try to steady up a bit. If yout jump up and down too much about this it'll only make your name more obvious and cause them to maybe watch you closer at your next event. I do know of someone that was eliminated a while ago for going far too quickly and was subsequently banned. Then had to be assessed riding xc (schooling) by a BE stweard before being allowed to compete BE again. They'd been watching over a few events and this was only at intro.
 
too fast penalties kick in at BE90/100 if you are going at novice speed (520mpm) rather than 450/475mpm. It is 1pen per second under that novice-speed time. At BB the opt time was 4:41 - haven't worked it out, but if you got 5 pen for a time of 4:11 the too-fast time must have been 4:16. - it is generally about 30s under the optimum but should be displayed in the secretary's tent.

Now that the speed for BE100 is a bit faster, there is less leeway between fast enough and too fast! At BB there is plently of galloping space iirc, so it would be an easier course than many to go too fast on.

Actually glad to see that the stewards are keeping an eye on things - even if it has pi**ed you off!
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However, please don't dismiss the steward's comments completely - lots of mistakes and accidents happen because people are going too fast and although you weren't very much too fast and have a big, ground covering horse it is something to bear in mind.

Good luck for next time.
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edited to add..........bl@@dy hell - it took me ages to write that - no-one had replied when i started!!

As Kerilli said, at Novice and above, the too fast penalties are worked out differently
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i think you get 0.4 per second, and don't get told off unless you are more than 15 secs under the time, but could be wrong.

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No, K, I'm pretty certain it's 1 TP per second, but they don't kick in until ?30seconds under the optimum, so there is quite a big window for no TP, but pretty harsh penalties if faster than that. Fair enough in my book, if courses were wheeled more consistently (as per comments on Teabee's post) so everyone knew where they stood.
 
The 0.4 penalties per second is for going to fast a novice and above!!
As said above you have to be going faster than Novice speed to get TF TF at PN and Intro, so yes the gap off no time faults has decreased since they upped the PN speed.
As i said earlier, at PN it is very hard and not always horrific to get too fast, on some horses i permanently run PN with the hand brake on to ensure i dont go too fast.
 
oops, sorry, my mistake.
as above though, i'd take it as a fair warning and either step up to a bigger course to back your bold horse off a bit, or get the handbrake on a bit and go in a nice rhythm at a good steady pace rather than too fast.
 
Thank you for all your comments! im not going to kick up a big fuss, just going to email them to find out the rules because im new to BE and dont know how many penalities you get. Im definately going to have to try and slow up, it will just feel like a leisurely hack round for me!
It is good to see that they are watching that people are safe but i really dont see how i went in such a quick time.

'As i said earlier, at PN it is very hard and not always horrific to get too fast, on some horses i permanently run PN with the hand brake on to ensure i dont go too fast'
Marymoo- i think i will be running with the handbrake on!
 
The other trick is to walk the course with big sweeping turns, but be warned the next one you go to will prbably be wheeled much tighter with an impossible time, if you can it is always worth looking at the score board to see how the time is running in your class, or the wonders of BDWP and interim scores from the day before.
 
K - As I said in my post earlier today, I think it is V difficult to get the time right at lower levels!!!!! One horse's too fast is another pony's too slow!!!!!!!!
And, if you go first or early on the course, there is absolutely no way of judging it!!!!

However, I am really tongue in cheek here
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because I don't think there's a damn thing anyone can do about it! As with life - you have to take the rough with the smooth. AND safety is the main thing!

If you look at the huge variety of horses and ponies doing BE eventing now, there is no way anyone can really strike an average safe speed.

You have the 17h young horse that covers the ground and is destined for great things, and then you have a 14h cob who is truly genuine, and pops round in his own time. Both most certainly have their place in the great scheme of things.

However, there are the riders who 'kick on regardless', and should be warned!!!!!!!

Although you will get a little 'talking to' if you get 'too fast' time faults at BE90 or BE100, it is usually done in a really
nice, friendly and educational way.
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K - As I said in my post earlier today, I think it is V difficult to get the time right at lower levels!!!!! One horse's too fast is another pony's too slow!!!!!!!!
And, if you go first or early on the course, there is absolutely no way of judging it!!!!

However, I am really tongue in cheek here
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because I don't think there's a damn thing anyone can do about it! As with life - you have to take the rough with the smooth. AND safety is the main thing!

If you look at the huge variety of horses and ponies doing BE eventing now, there is no way anyone can really strike an average safe speed.

You have the 17h young horse that covers the ground and is destined for great things, and then you have a 14h cob who is truly genuine, and pops round in his own time. Both most certainly have their place in the great scheme of things.

However, there are the riders who 'kick on regardless', and should be warned!!!!!!!

Although you will get a little 'talking to' if you get 'too fast' time faults at BE90 or BE100, it is usually done in a really
nice, friendly and educational way.
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Well said, punk, totally agree
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