Bitch's in season?

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Hello,

Im looking for some advice on when bitch's normally come into season. She is two and a 1/2 years old.


Also i have heard that you can also bring a bitchs into season. How is this done and how costly is it to do?

Kind Regards :)
 
Has the bitch never had a season. Most have their first season around 9 months to a year and then approximately every 6 months. I had a bitch who didn't have a season until she was 3. I did discuss the possibility of trying to bring her into season prior to this but my vet advised against it, he said it could cause problems and as I wanted to breed from her decided against it. As I said, she had her first season at 3 years old and again on vets advice she was mated and had a healthy litter. She then established a normal season pattern, but at her second litter had uterine inertia and had to have a caesarian and was spayed.
 
Depends on her birth date usually, how long have you owned her?
If she has never had a season in that time I would have her to the vets and maybe be spayed to prevent future complications.


FI mine was born in September and she takes hers late March-April and late September-October. And her first was noted on a calendar so we could be sure.
 
Ditto what MurphysMinder and CaveCanem said.

Besides that, just like with humans, hard physical exercise can postpone the seasons, I've heard of bitches that came into season after spending more time interacting with other/new dogs and bitches and I've also heard that, on rare occasions, a submissive bitch can have problems getting into season, if they live or spend much time with a very dominant bitch. But I don't know if the last two things are just hearsay or true.

I don't know if the following was just a coincidence or not, however once when one of my bitches was about one week from coming into season, one of my old bitches died and when the remaining bitch's season should have started, nothing happened. As I recall it, about two months later, we met two Greyhounds that she really likes, out on a walk and the other bitch turned out to be in season, which my bitch certainly noticed and one or a few days later her season started.
As said, perhaps it was just a coincidence, but perhaps not.


Other than that, I'm sorry if I'm wrong but if the reason to why you're considering trying to bring her into season, has something to do with plans on breeding her, then I have to say that personally, I feel that I draw the line at needing veterinary help to make a bitch come into season.

I support my kennel club's point of view that we should at least not step over the line, where the natural selection are saying stop and the dog/bitch is unable to mate naturally. Although their rule mainly works to limit the use of Artificial Insemination when breeding dogs in Sweden, when anything related to fertility and reproductive function does not work, I really think it is time to question whether they truly offer an invaluable genetic contribution to their dog breed or not.

If your question has nothing to do with breeding, just ignore the part of my answer that concerns breeding.

:)
 
Hello,

I would like to say thank you to everyone that has posted on my question. My plan is to breed from my dog as she is very well bred and there is a lot of demarnd for pups from her! Which will only go to the very best homes.

She has been in season before but i couldnt remember when hence asking when do they normally come into season.

With regards to asking about bringing bitch's into season i heard this from another breeder of which produces quality pups very well and i just wanted to no more about it. I have lost contact details for him through moving house hence why asking for advice through the forum.

I value both side of for and agaisnt bringing bitch's into season which will help me to understand this process.

Kind Regards :)
 
Tbh you sound a little inexperienced to be breeding from your bitch but hopefully I am just interpreting your posts wrongly. Have you had all the necessary health tests done for her breed (what breed is she), and done lots of research on her lines and the lines of any dog you are planning to use. If the breeder you are talking about is a recognised breeder youshould be able to find his address either by googling his affix or contacting the KC.
Regarding bringing your bitch into season, as she has already had seasons I think it is unlikely a vet would considered bringing her in, particularly as you don't know when the last season was.
 
In the nicest possible way, I really would seek guidance from an experienced/respected breeder if you decide to proceed - writing an entire bitch's season dates on a calendar isn't rocket science, in fact it is common sense for any owner.
The way I read it, she has normal seasons, you just don't know the dates, so you want to induce a season so you can mate without waiting for it to come along naturally - not correct conduct for a responsible breeder - IMO and pardon me if I have read that incorrectly.
If she has irregular or problem seasons, that would indicate to me that nature is telling you she isn't a breeding bitch and she should be spayed.
TBH I have grown up around breeders, we used to breed, and I have never heard of any of the people I know inducing a season.
My dogs are both very well bred but neither will be bred from, it isn't a good enough reason for breeding IMO.
Of course there are demand for PUPPIES...it's what happens in the months and years after they have left you that you have to worry about.

If you wait for nature to take it's course, if you have all the health tests (not a vet check!) done and select a sire who has the same and compliments her lines, if you have a waiting list of secure and reliable homes, well then, I don't have an issue.
 
MurphysMinder Thank you for you post, i understand your concerns but yes i have done alot of reseach taking into account all factors.
I have also been involved in breeding horses so i do no about all the testing they need to do before going to stud to be covered. As i have worked on a stud.

I can get in touch with her breeder as she is all papered and the breeder is KC accredited. Also i have traced back through al her blood lines. I have also looked up lots of possible stud dogs and researched them to. I have not got plans to Put my dog into pup any time soon but i thought i would look into it.

All i really wanted to know was when do bitchs normally come into season?

Kind Regards
 
I'm glad you are getting guidance from her breeder. I don't necessarily think breeding horses is the same as breeding dogs. I have bred dogs for many years but would not consider that gave me the knowledge to breed a foal. I wasn't referring to the health tests before going to stud which check a mare is clear of infections, but checks for inherited diseases, e.g. hip and elbow displaysia, pra, haemophilia et etc depending on the breed. These would have to be done well in advance of mating to allow the results to come back. You should also check any dog you plan on using has had the necessary tests.
 
Afternoon,

I would just like to reasure you that im not just doing this light heartedly and i appreciate the fact you have been breeding dogs for many years.
This is why i thought i would ask real dog / breeders type people on this forum who might be able help me.

May i ask please out of pure interest what breeds of dogs do you breed?

Kind Regards
 
I think I can speak for the others in sayng we are always happy to help. I used to breed GSDs, I say used as I haven't bred a litter for 9 years as was finding it increasingly difficult to find the right homes, and was also uncomfortably aware of the number of GSDs in rescue. I do however have a lovely bitch who is nearly 2 who has excellent hip and elbow scores, and I may take a litter from her at some point.
What breed is your bitch?
 
And thats the great thing about the forum.

My uncle rescued a german shepherd who was taken away from a young family who used him as a status dog which they also neglected. He was lovely but was very warey around new people, but had to be put down year ago.

I have a Wired Haired Daschund, she is the most loyal trainable and people friendly dog i have ever owned. She loves children and they can pull her about like a ragdoll and she just takes it. Her temperment is one in a million and thats half the reason why i have been appaoched to breed from her. And she is not a yappy jack russel.
Her breeder has even said if i do breed from her they will have a pup from her.
So this is why im investigating.

I also have been told she would make a great pat dog. Ones that go into old peoples homes, hospitals etc would you happen to know much about it or where i could find infomation?

Kind Regards
 
Annette4 on here has just had her corgi Jack approved as a Pat Dog. If she doesn't spot this here you could pm her and I am sure she will give you any information you need.
 
bitches dont come into season at any given time... its down the individual bitch. I might have picked this up wrong, but were you looking for some sort of answer that indicated a time of year to look out for her coming in season? It just doesnt work like that.

with regards breeding - please please please make sure you get all the health tests done that you can. ive no idea about dachshunds, but common tests for other breeds include hip scoring, eye testing and DNA testing for several different conditions.

- please also realise that just because a dog is KC registered and you can produce a pedigree of generations for it, does not = quality dog, unfortunately... but thats the KC for you;)

speak to PAT dogs, google for website;) i used to be an area coordinator for Therapet's (scottish based), very worthwhile thing to do with your dog:)
 
As MurphysMinder said, Annette4's Jack is an approved PAT dog and she has said that she is very happy over that he gets a chance to promote how lovely Corgis can be, but she also said that his size is a slight problem, because he got quite tired after sitting for two hours, but he has to sit for older people who can't get down to his level, to be able to reach him.


Wire haired Dachshunds (standard size) used to be on place 4 or 5 on the top ten list of the most popular breeds in Sweden, but during the few last years, it has lost in popularity and are now around place 11 or similar.

SKK have no requirements on health testing the parents for anything, to register Dachshunds puppies. PRA can occur, but the Swedish breed club have been actively working on the problem and 2008 they had reached their goal and was able to cancel their "anti-PRA" health programme. But Dachshunds are a long lived breed and PRA can occur with age, even without that a dog/bitch carry any PRA gene, so the breed club still have rules that say that you're not able to register puppies from a dog/bitch with confirmed PRA and they recommends that you don't use your dog/bitch in breeding if you suspect that it might carry a PRA gene.

Also there is no health test for Dachshunds most common problem, slipped disc. The breed club can only recommend that a dog/bitch where either themselves or their parents, have shown signs of possibly having problems/are confirmed to have slipped disc problems, should not be used in breeding. They also recommend that breeders pay attention to if siblings have such problems and that it also matters when the slipped disc problems occur, since it can possibly occur, just like PRA, with age.

So hypothetically, if a grandmother to your bitch developed PRA and slipped disc problems when she is 14 years old, you could in theory still breed your bitch, but you should think both once and twice about if she really is that unique, so that it is worth the risk.



Towards the end of this summer, I will have owned bitches for 20 years and I've always had more or less vague dreams about breeding, yet, it was only with my fifth bitch (a Finnish Lapphund) that I had my first and this far only litter soon 2 years ago. Previous bitches has been lovely and wonderful on many ways, but there has always been something that have made me decide not to breed them.

Personally I feel that a potential brood bitch should have a really good temperament (without that you're wearing rose-tinted glasses), be well bred, look good, have good health or if those are required, good health test results and be suitable as something, even if it is "only" as an average easy to own dog for an average dog owner.

I also feel that breeding is not only a question about if the potential brood bitch is good enough, without also about the owner. Nobody is perfect or knows everything, but what knowledge and support can you offer your potential puppy buyers? Do you feel you can help with basic advice on how to train being alone, trim their nails, tips on long line training, where and how to find a good dog club and so on? What if the family can't keep their dog a year later?

Do you think you'll be able to handle the situation if everything doesn't go exactly as planned? Not just things like paying for an unexpected caesarian section and that after the birth you should check, so that the puppies doesn't have cleft palates and that they have an anus etc. (I don't know if horse breeders checks their foals for those things?), without also simpler things such as, what if your potential buyers wants bitches and you get a litter with almost only males, or the other way around?



To come back to seasons, in general, they have their first season when they're between 8 and 12 months old, but anything from 5 to 18 months old can still be considered as normal. They can have between 1 to 4 seasons per year, but the most common is 2 seasons per year and the first two, three seasons, might come in irregular intervals, before their hormones gets the hang of it and after that, if they have 2 seasons per year, their seasons usually comes with about 6 months intervals.

Since you have a relatively young bitch, I would simply wait for her next season, note when it starts and count on that about 6 months forwards from that, she will come into season again and then you can breed her.

:)
 
I'm in GSDs too.

Hate to sound like the Grinch here but I would be careful in letting a child pull around any dog like a ragdoll, they are dogs not toys and that is how kids get nipped - mine have all been great with kids, but then kids used to a friendly, biddable dog could go up to any old dog thinking they are friendly too, when they might not be! - but definitely not a dachsie, because of their spinal issues.

Right, I will stop being such a doom merchant now....
 
Cavecanem, I understand your concerns about me saying she is good with children and being a rag doll. But i would never let any harm come to either of them. And im very aware of health issues that come with owning a Daschund!
From a young age i have also grown up with different breeds of dogs such as Labs, Dobermans, Collies, Jack Russells, Springers, Bernese Mountain Dogs, English Bull Terriers And Italian Spinoines. All of these breeds have different trates needs and personalitys. They also have many different health problems too i no this from being around them and looking after them!

Three breeds of the above we still own and are working dogs, one works sheep and cattle and the other two are gun dogs.

The Daschund is the 1st bitch we have never spayed as her breeder said she has breeding potential. Hence asking about infomation on bitch's comming into season. :confused:
 
Well then I hope you found our answers on that issue helpful, sorry for any confusion :)

I am the other way around, a recent convert to big smelly boydogs after growing up with bitches, it's a real learning curve, dealt with a lot of males but it is different when you can't hand back the lead at the end of the day :p

Glad to hear you work your animals, love to see a dog with a job :)
 
I would like to say thank-you to every one who answered and questioned me and you all have been help full in your own ways.

Many Thanx

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