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Ok well I need to find a bit for my pony.

She can be very strong out hacking and jumping, so previously had her in a ported imblewick. She could still be slightly strong but managable and I liked her like that.

Only then I realised this was what was going on inside her mouth
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I phoned Myler bits and tried her in this
http://www.shop4bits.com/item--Eggbutt-With-Hooks-Comfort-Snaffle-Low-Port--89-3004.html

with a curb chain but didn't find the curb had any effect and I didn't have many brakes. I don't think she like the independent movement on her poll either.

People keep suggesting a pelham but I don't see how that would help.
 
I would go for a mullen mouth Pelham. The Kimblewick is a single rein version of the Pelham and both have a similar action. The mullen mouth will allow extra room for her tongue.

If you do not feel comfortable using 2 reins with the pelham, use with the roundings.
 
Dutch gags make her rear, so thats out...

Would the mullen mouth give more room than a ported kimblewick then?

I do have 1 but am reluctant to try it as always believed they're way stronger than kimblewicks and I don't want to put something really strong in her mouth and end up with her hard mouthed. Saying that she does pull in her kimblewick which is more likely to make her hard mouthed.

thanks
 
On the snaffle ring she's fine but then I don't have many brakes jumping or hacking [we ARE working on this in the school btw, she used to be in a kimblewick for flatwork too but now shes not pulling at all walk and trot in a snaffle so we're improving], but put it on the middle ring and she starts doing these...

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Proper rears too, saying that she is a rearer anyway..She's very dominant and fights a lot of things which is why I was so thrilled to have her accept the kimblewick.
She was in an american gag when I got her as a 5yo but I changed her straight into a snaffle as I didn't think it was right, lol!

She's now 7.

Thanks guys
 
I had a similar problem - a forward going horse, with a huge tongue (and not a lot of respect sometimes).

http://www.abitdifferent.co.uk/acatalog/Forward_tilt_ported_barrel.html

I think you need something which gives more tongue room. I had a similar problem, and we can hack home on a long rein in this. Also, we didn't use a curb chain on it.

Also, I hate to say it, but some schooling which might allow you to use a milder bit such as a NS training bit. We are getting there with the schooling - we can now walk out in a jointed snaffle which is something I'm quietly chuffed about.

Edited to add - stupid question. Are you sure you have it in the mouth the rightway round? Perhaps you haved the curve of the mouthpiece pointing backwards instead of forwards. If you get the cheekpieces the wrong way, this is possible.
 
Ok if you want proof that she rears
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Okay but rather than getting side tracked..

But lol, I keep asking, how would a pelham work when a kimblewick takes up too much room? Geniune question I don't understand.

I agree about schooling - I only changed her bit after 18 months of trying to work in a snaffle..But she is getting better again, it went through a phase where a snaffle was impossible to ride in in the school, now in the snaffle she's soft in walk and trot but still strong in canter so we are improving
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Thanks

That looks fairly similaur to what we tried..actually no that IS the bit we tried, and I found her too strong in it..

Thanks ever so much though guys

- Do you mean my kimblewick? It doesn't curve 1 way or the other, its a ported one..
 
Yes the curve of the mouthpiece allows extra 'head room' for the tongue.

There isnt a lot of difference between a kimblewick and a pelham both have the same action, but the pelham is generally used with 2 reins. The longer the shank (where the curb rein is) on the Pelham, the greater the poll action (head lowering) which will influence the 'strength' of the bit, otherwise they are pretty much the same. Most Pelhams these days have standard short shanks.
 
Thanks, I guess I'll try the pelham then!

I'm sure I must have 1 lieing around here somewhere.

Cheers guys, fingers crossed it works.
 
Can you get thin mouthpeices on kimblewicks ect? I've had a look on ebay and stuff, to try and find a high port mainly but couldn't find anything thinner =/

Waterford might be worth a try too, since thats got so many joints it can't squash her tongue?

I have a mullen mouth pelham, (found it) from when I bought it for showing so I'll try that first and see what happens.

Sorry btw, had to stick that rearing pic in cos I know how annoying it is when people are like oh yeh my horse rears ect when it actually lifts 2 centremetres off the ground so wanted to prove I wasn't lieing :P
 
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