Bitting?

Kimblewick has poll pressure.

Cant possibly recomend a bit without knowing the horses mouth conformation, the riders ability and why you need a stronger bit/what the horse does. All these have a bearing on bit choice.
 
If you just need something stronger but totally without poll pressure, maybe a Kineton noseband? (it hooks around the bit, and when pressure is applied to the bit via the reins, the noseband puts pressure on the nose).
However, that would depend, like teddyt said, on what the horse is doing to need a stronger bit, what discipline it's doing, and you as a rider etc.
 
Basically he's fine in the french link for flatwork, but when showjumping, and especially xc he gets quite strong and I struggle to keep him in check, and as I'm thinking of hunting him this winter I'd like something that I know he'll have to listen to me with so I can have complete control! He could probably have a little poll pressure, but he hated the dutch gag and his owner (I have him on full/permanent loan) said he used to hate poll pressure. Not sure what to say about me as a rider, but I've been riding for six years and had this horse for three. I'd just really like to have a bit where I'm not constantly pulling on his mouth to keep him checked, as I don't like doing this to his mouth and think that a couple of short, sharp aids would be more effective than lots of dull ones he doesn't listen to. I'll have a look at the good old PC manual and see what they've got in there. I'm trying him in a friend's kimblewick today, and just see how he goes- there's no harm in trying, right? =D Thanks for all your help- hope this gives you a better idea!
 
He sounds like my horse - we do everything in a french link (dressage, jump, hack)but I can't hold him out hunting. I've tried loads of bits...Dr Bristol, waterford snaffle, waterford gag, kimblewick, Mylers... he took off in the DrB, spins round and runs backwards in both waterford, bounces on the spot in kimblewick and the Myler was just a disaster.

My YO suggested a single jointed pelham, which I took him cubbing in yesterday. Fabulous!! Rode with two reins and only needed the curb a couple of times. Also had a grackle noseband. I'm a kimblewick fan but my horse preferred the pelham, I guess because when he's being a good boy, he is rewarded by being ridden from the top rein.

Would really recommend the pelham
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Hey, Bramble09
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If I were you, I'd talk to his owner about it - maybe when B was younger she used something stronger?

Or maybe, if you find something that'll do, switch between the two bits regularly, so he's not able to just hang on to the bit because he knows it well.

I had a similar problem with my pony Andy at camp, and my instructor suggested swapping bits regularly so that he couldn't predict what was inb his mouth. Now I switch between a french link with cheeks to a loose-ring lozenge, and he's not hanging on my hand so much.

Def. speak to someone like the owner, or an instructor about it! Did the owner hunt him? She might have used something stronger for that?
 
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