Bl**dy hunt!! (sorry, long rant)

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His behaviour is as stated, (I am talking about when attempting to come into the garden, not the vandalism which is personal opinion of course)

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I'm sorry, I don't go by second hand evidence. I know how much it can be twisted, exagerated, taken out of context e.t.c (not implying the original poster has done this) therefore his behaviour is NOT necessarily as stated. I wasn't there and neither were you so am in no place to judge or comment on anything other than straight facts.
 
Unless the hunt has permission to hunt your land they cannot go there.

If they do they are trespassing, and I have never heard of a hunt just demanding to ride their horses through someone's garden.

I have to say our two local hunts (the WP and Fernie) tend to keep away from the village and are nothing but courteous and polite.


A cat also has scent glands in its mouth, hence wy they rub their top lips along branches, fences etc. But not enough for a hound to chase it over a fox. Unless it was a tom cat AND the hounds were especially bored and trained by a complete pillock, then a couple might just give chase. But hounds on the whole are very obedient.
 
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Unless the hunt has permission to hunt your land they cannot go there.

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Wrong. Animals cannot tresspass. It would be illegal for a huntsman to go on their land but hounds are perfectly within the law.
 
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Unless the hunt has permission to hunt your land they cannot go there.

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Wrong. Animals cannot tresspass. It would be illegal for a huntsman to go on their land but hounds are perfectly within the law.

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You are wrong, SevernMistletoe. Hard to believe, I know, but:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/domestic/dogs.htm

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Why can we not say that the behaviour as stated was bad?
If (extreme example I know) a murder is commited..since we weren't there we can't judge?
Not sure why we can't say that somebody attempting to come into our gardens despite being denied is bad?
 
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That's what i meant. OP said the huntsman said he wanted to go through their garden...

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Ah, I thought she said a Master wanted to go on their land, either way they have no right to. Can't think why they would want to go in a garden when they have hundreds of acres to cross anyhow.
 
You say 'Hounds cannot trespass.'
By hounds do you mean dogs generally, or hounds specifically?

My understanding is that while cats can legally be allowed to roam, dogs are regarded as potentially dangerous & therefore must be kept under control. So though the animal itself wouldn't be guilty of trespass, its owner would surely be at fault for allowing it on someone else's land univited.

I would regard dogs- including hounds- coming into my garden against my express wishes as either not being under control or being deliberately mismanaged.

If those dogs- or hounds- were a to be a threat to my livestock I would also be at liberty to shoot them, I think.

Of course a cat gives off a scent- especially a frightened cat, which actually smells rank. It would be a pretty poor foxhound that couldn't follow one, though I'd be a bit surprised that an MFH would want to.

I'm not anti-hunt; and I don't know just what happened here- or even, with all due respect, if it really did happen- but the implication that a hunt- or a dogwalker, for that matter- can let its animals run where they please, regardless of other people's stock or pets, makes my blood boil.
 
Cats actually have LOADS of scent glands on different parts of their body, but the interdigital ones where the only ones I could think of that would leave a trail in the ordinary course of meandering about. Farm cats with long coats often smell pretty bad so saying cats do not smell at all is incorrect - it is an inaccurate fact - particularly to a dog whose sense of smell is something like 100 times better than our own. If I can smell a longhair farmcat that can't groom itself properly I am sure a hound can. I'm not saying a hound woud chase a cat - I have no clue as I don't hunt so cannot comment on that fact. What I can comment about is the science of feline physiology having studied it at degree level - and the poster above is right - frightened animals smell rank!.
 
Edit to my last oint, I said judge which when read back sounds silly, I meant comment upon. IF said situation occured, it is very bad behaviour imo.
 
An animal can't tresspass. This was brought up when those hounds went in that ladies garden a while back, it couldn't go anywhere because an animal has know conception of tresspass. Its a tricky law.

A cats scent is nothing like a foxes and any hounds that made the mistake should be shot because it would be a pretty poor excuse of a foxhound. You can smell a fox even when its not close, I've never smelt the scent of a cat - even a frightened one.
 
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Edit to my last oint, I said judge which when read back sounds silly, I meant comment upon. IF said situation occured, it is very bad behaviour imo.

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If it was indeed as it was written...then yes, I agree. It was appalling, it would not happen with my hunt. But...there are two sides to every story.
 
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A few moments later the hunt master (?) came up to their garden gate and tried to open it but it's kept locked so he demanded it was opened as they wanted to follow the scent through the garden.
Mum said no and he starting having a go at her saying she was causing an obstruction. She said if he went back 100 metres there was a large gap in the hedge the tractors use and they could access the other field which runs along the garden and carry on that way.
Just then a hound jumped over the wall and mum asked him to remove his property - he refused so I shouted out to the hound and it very obligingly jumped back out. The master then said he was going to jump the wall so dad stood there with a shovel in his hands and refused to move.


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The Huntsman wanted to come over the wall - despite being asked not to????? If a man has to stand with a shovel to stop somebody jumping a horse over his wall - then that is appalling behaviour on the part of the rider.

The huntsman tried to open a garden gate - threatening to trespass..... illegal.

I will be interested in the response of the hunt to your letter, if you choose to write it, and I hope your family are feeling ok.
 
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It doesn't surprise you, due to your own prejudices and opinions, the OP fits what you would like to believe, so you hang off every word.

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And is it not having these opinions that differ to others what makes the world go round!
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I have heard enough of these type of stories and witnessed them for myself to form these prejudices as you call them!
 
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we saw something jump into the metal feed bin so we closed it in and watched the hounds pass by. A few moments later the hunt master (?) came up to their garden gate and tried to open it but it's kept locked so he demanded it was opened as they wanted to follow the scent through the garden.

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Haven't I seen this scene played out somewhere
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...........Oh Yes Disney's 'The Fox and the hound'!!!

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Anyway - had a call from mum this morning all of her pots along the front of her house and the memorial statue to her best friend had all been smashed up and dog mess dumped in her drive.

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So you don't know who did this then??? You have just assumed it was the hunt.
 
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Unless the hunt has permission to hunt your land they cannot go there.

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Wrong. Animals cannot tresspass. It would be illegal for a huntsman to go on their land but hounds are perfectly within the law.

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So presumably, the land owner would be pertectly within their rights to shoot the unwanted animals that have entered their property and are bothering their animals!!
 
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Unless the hunt has permission to hunt your land they cannot go there.

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Wrong. Animals cannot tresspass. It would be illegal for a huntsman to go on their land but hounds are perfectly within the law.

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So what is that whole thing about dogs straying onto property and how it is up to the owners to keep them off. Dogs aren't above the law, cats are, and the owner is legally liable for their behavior - how are pack hounds any different?

Or at least that is what has been given as advice on here time and time again.
 
I don't believe a word you are saying, utter rubbish. People have better things to do with their time then to go around and smash a few flower pots.. as for wanting to go though your garden, rubbish again. sorry but you are talking c***.
 
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Unless the hunt has permission to hunt your land they cannot go there.

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Wrong. Animals cannot tresspass. It would be illegal for a huntsman to go on their land but hounds are perfectly within the law.

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So presumably, the land owner would be pertectly within their rights to shoot the unwanted animals that have entered their property and are bothering their animals!!

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No, the only case in which they would be would be sheep worrying. Otherwise if the landowner (all of a garden...big plot of land
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So what is that whole thing about dogs straying onto property and how it is up to the owners to keep them off. Dogs aren't above the law, cats are, and the owner is legally liable for their behavior - how are pack hounds any different?

Or at least that is what has been given as advice on here time and time again.

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Cats are allowed to wander where they like, there is no law on them. Dogs cannot tresspass as an animal cannot, as said previously. If a landowner does not want dogs/hounds on his land then it is entirely upto him/her to keep them out using appropriate fencing. If a dog strays onto your ground you are actually in the wrong for not having the correct fencing to keep them at bay.
 
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Now why does that not surprise me! Bloody cretins the lot of them...big attitudes riding round on big horses!

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Exactly the attitude I'd expect from an anti, completely narrowminded.

You weren't present, you witnessed nothing yet you take second hand talk as gospel. Why doesn't that surprise me?
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I have posted on here several times this year about our local hunts ( we get both because we are right on their borders) but we would never have trouble like that with them, they both respect it if you say please don't come on our land..
Poor cat, it must have been terrified. I bring our huge ginger male inside on hunt days, he looks far too like a fox to risk him..
I am shocked they attempted to come into your garden, and can only suggest buying a hunting whip and using it to keep the hounds away , they are obedient enough to move away from a whip used on the floor.
I rang our Master last time but he is so persuasive I almost ended up apologising for bothering him, he's without doubt their best asset...
A letter to H and H would bring a response but may also bring you more hassle. I would perhaps ask for a meeting with some of the hunt comittee and put your case to them. reading your post ther eis no way they could condone what's gone on, from the vandalism to the Master's behaviour.
I am speechless that they behaved like this to be honest, most hunts are doing their utmost to get the public on their side.. (as I drove out the other week our local one had a rider posted in our lane to turn back a fox so it wouldn't go on to our farm, as I had requested they try and avoid us if possible due to a couple of lame horses in the main herd).
Next time ensure you shut everything away (yes it p**es us off too as we have better things to do with our time) and make your garden fence unjumpable..
We now stand any we can with shoes on inside all day, decide we won't be scholing/doing anything with baby horses on those days , and as a last resort, join in...CCj went out Christmas Eve because there was no point in riding otherwise, the stallion adores hunting....
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I was very impressed with Henryhorn's comments above but would like to remind Henryhorn and all others posting on here, that this Forum is often read by the League Against Cruel Sports and other such antis who are always looking for proof of illegal hunting. With most Hunts hounds now follow a pre-laid trail and therefore do not need to post a rider to 'turn the fox back'. Please think carefully before putting it in print!!!
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I wonder if the 'huntsman' referred to here in the original post was in fact just an ordinary member of the Field who wanted to show off his arrogance/importance? Unfortunately one or two packs do seem to have a very small minority of these types who spoil it for every one else and bring the pack into disrepute. I would definately take it up with the Hunt Master and Committee by arranging to have a meeting with them; much better than a letter, I think. Try to remember exactly what this chap and his horse looked like. Pity you didn't get it on camera.

Please do not let this one incident put you off Hunting. I can assure you that Hunts really do go out of their way to keep the peace with everyone and would not knowingly want an incident like this to happen. As far as the broken pots are concerned, you may find that there is absolutely no connection between them and the Hunt problem - I really do hope so.
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How absolutely disgraceful. I hate hunting anyway, if any came anywhere near my land Im not quite sure how I would handle myself! Luckily, we don't have hunting anywhere near our area.

It's sickening they think they "own" the countryside. Hunter *think* they are helping keep fox numbers down when actually they are tearing up the countryside and scaring the crap out of other animals. How dare they be so disrespectful of those who live within it!
 
I wouldn't worry about that, a comment on a forum by someone who is clearly not pro would never stand up in a court of law. Antis are struggling even with so called 'video evidence' behind them. The key word to the ban is 'intent', something which is not easily proved!
 
i keep my horse on a small farm and the owner has been told he has the right to shoot dogs coming onto his land if they are causeing distress to the animals hence the reason my dog is not alowed of the lead.

I have always been anti hunting but where i used to keep my mare there was a hunt on every weekend and all the people were very nice and one man even asked me to join in however there is always one minority that spoils it and i think the behaviour you describe is discraceful(sp)
 
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