Bl**dy hunt!! (sorry, long rant)

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Nor can I. I cannot believe that with all the legalities the hunt have to deal with they would risk anything like this.

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To be honest, most of us don't know who anyone on here is, or what their motivation is, do we?
We don't know the name of the hunt, or where this is alleged to have happened.
It's a very emotive subject, and one where I don't believe a word unless it's corroborated by someone I know and trust.
 
Shilasdair has put up the link re. the rules regarding dogs.

True you can't just shoot them for coming into your garden; they have to be a threat to farm animals. As ever, I can't see just where horses stand in this.

However they are NOT allowed to roam at will; they have to be controlled, and since they are not farm animals themselves, you certainly don't have to fence to keep them out.

If they go onto your land the owner is at fault.
 
I'm not sure if this is the pro hunt refusing to believe this versus the anti's believing it 100%, as it seems very much to be the way.
I can see it happening, some of them are rough, same as any sport etc. We had the hunt come past us once, broke a farmers fence (no offer of fixing it) and then came up our drive, masters and a few cars (private property and no, nobody had given them permission) master jumped off it, but it was the sheer audacity fo telling us to get out of the way on our land! Had to bring our dogs in (someone tried to tell us the hounds would mistake them for a fox.which I dont believe is true) although it was some satisfaction that the little man trying to be in charge on our property shut up when one of the dogs (protective) snarled at him. Nothing outrageous happened but it was highly inappropriate and un called for, a simple do you mind (we were standing right there!!) would have been better.
 
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To be honest, most of us don't know who anyone on here is, or what their motivation is, do we?
We don't know the name of the hunt, or where this is alleged to have happened.
It's a very emotive subject, and one where I don't believe a word unless it's corroborated by someone I know and trust.

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Exactly...or my own eyes...and remember we're hearing one side of a slightly biased story.
 
Wrong. If you don't want something coming onto your land it is your job to keep them out. This was brought up when that little dog ran onto someone elses property and was bitten by their dog - they were in fact in the wrong!

Animals are not allowed to roam at free will BUT they cannot tresspass either. Its a loopholed law.

A horse is not a farm animal and the right to shoot a dog applies to livestock only.
 
i too would be annoyed but im sure if you rang your master he would apologise for himself or any of the hunt servants, i would imagine the broken pots were coincidence rather than anything, i hope,
 
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We had the hunt come past us once, broke a farmers fence (no offer of fixing it)

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a little knowledge is often a dangerous thing. I don't know about your area, but in ours, fences were made good the following day, and a good few farmers of my acquaintance did jolly well out of it, the hunt often cementing relationships by 'mending' a good bit more fence than had actually been damaged.

I don't think it's a case of believing or not, dependant upon your view, I think it's a case of healthy caution - people have an agenda, and on the internet, no one needs to be who they appear to be.

Mud sticks, doesn't it? No names, no dates, no actual information, just a general slur. I am always wary of such things. But then again, I seldom believe what I read in the papers, either.
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I'm not sure if this is the pro hunt refusing to believe this versus the anti's believing it 100%, as it seems very much to be the way.

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Not on my part. As everyone knows I'm as pro as they come however if this story was in fact re. sabs I would have the same views on it. Unless I was there to witness it or saw undoctered video evidence I would not take something written on a forum as gospel. As for assuming the broken pots were the hunt that could be classed as defamatory, how many drunks are out on boxing day night? I am not saying they did or did not do it. We had trouble with antis pre ban at the pre Christmas Eve hunt, the police were pro but one of them tried to hit the police man and they were kicking up merry hell yet also saying they were pro
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one of our lot then hung a dead fox on their gate that evening with a Christmas card in its mouth - it was done in jest, warped humour perhaps but it is one thing to do that yet another to actually cause criminal damage. They went to the paper and the report was laughable, the police had to call the paper to put them straight on the facts, which is why I don't believe things that are written with no facts, evidence or otherwise.
 
As I say, I'm not anti- hunt, but I am very much anti- irresponsible dog owners; I have suffered too much loss & damage ( and my livestock too much pain) from prats who felt that they could allow their dog to run wherever it liked; a housecow with her udder ripped bcause dogs had driven her through the fence; geese killed by a neighbours lab; a horse run in to the ground and eventually driven through a fence by my YOs bored collie; very clever dog who picked the one animal that would run rather than play and drove her & drove her all night until she was a sweating wreck. I've had my cats chased through the fields, the garden and right into my kitchen- (lucky for the dog -and possibly for me- and certainly for neighbourly relations- that I didn't catch him; I was SO close) and on other occassions I've seen my neighbours poultry destroyed and sheep and cattle worried by loose dogs; sometimes with the owner, lead in hand, shouting "Come" ineffectually in the background.

So any suggestion that dogs may go where they please because "they can't trespass" is a red rag to me. A half brick can't trespass either, but if someone chucks it through my window they are committing an offence.

I don't shoot, but must admit that the dog problem and the rabbits are the two things that make me wonder whether I should have a gun.
 
Sorry alleycat, i have to pick up on this as its one of my biggest pet-peeves!!! Hounds are hounds they are not dogs!
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As I say, I'm not anti- hunt, but I am very much anti- irresponsible dog owners;

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but i do fully agree about the issue of irressponsible dog owners as i too quite often find a loose dog in with the chickens or out with the foals
 
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Now why does that not surprise me! Bloody cretins the lot of them...big attitudes riding round on big horses!

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Exactly the attitude I'd expect from an anti, completely narrowminded.

You weren't present, you witnessed nothing yet you take second hand talk as gospel. Why doesn't that surprise me?
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Hell, I'm shocked.....why would an anti want to belive the story?
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IF (and that not a slur to OP,just that I was not there so dont know for sure) things happened as the OP said it's disgusting behaviour.
Doesnt matter who it was from,it's wrong.

Find it hard to belive the hunt were petty enough to go back and smash the garden up though....
 
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Wondered when someone would say that!
But- to me, I'm afraid, same drink, bigger bottle!

Or does the law work differently with relation to a pack?
 
I was out hunting on the 18th, we went through a field full of sheep. The sheperd was out keeping the herd in the corner, but the hounds didnt glance in that direction. Im sure many dog owners that couldnt control one dog in the same situation, so the issue with hounds is hardly a lack of control.
I have to say that when we go out the master always makes sure we understand we are to stick to the edges of fields, keeps off mown vedges and not to go through land that we dont have permission to be on, so it seems odd that this would happen.
 
T_H, it is imperitive that hounds are stock proof, any that go off of the line have to be shot.

M's lurchers can run a rabbit through a field of sheep and not glance off of her quarry. How many pet dogs could do that?
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Goodness I opened a can of worms!!
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My dad called the hunt this morning. It wasn't the master he was with the rest if the field (we did wonder why there were only a few of them). He said he knows who it was and will take measures to have him disciplined (sounds a bit worrying...).
With regards to the vandalism he couldn't comment understandably. We don't know if it was this person or not - the piles of dog mess made us suspicious (sp) but the police are dealing with that matter.

Just to make clear - as a family we are not anti or sabs or anything like that. We didn't video it (not in the habit of carrying a camera to go feed the chickens...) and this is the first bad incidence we have had with the hunt.
 
Usually its never the huntsman, but some jumped up rah rah that thinks they have a right to go where they please.

Like our Glos & Oxon hunts, usually well behaved except for the t*ssers that come up from London and treat everyone and their horses like cr@p (undoubtedly hand them back when they get off).
 
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Wrong. If you don't want something coming onto your land it is your job to keep them out. This was brought up when that little dog ran onto someone elses property and was bitten by their dog - they were in fact in the wrong!

Animals are not allowed to roam at free will BUT they cannot tresspass either. Its a loopholed law.

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Absolutely right, sadly. Eric was attacked by a dog and after a long battle against infection he was pts. Couldn't do anything about the dog/owner as it was in a field. Had it been on a public highway, I may have been able to prosecute owner with a dangerous dog.

(sorry for jumping in on OP topic)
 
I dont mind drag hunting, lots of fun for everyone and nothing hurt, I dont see the need to kill a fox on a hunt, the only difference between the two is that on one an animal is ripped to bits at the end and on the other it isn't, maybe people that want to see a fox killed should ask themselves an honest question as to why, what is it in man that needs to kill for "fun", I dont understand why anyone wants to kill an animal for fun by shooting it either, shooting pests yes, rats rabbits foxs no problem, for food yes no problem, but for fun !!!
I wouldn't condone trespass by people or horses or dogs/hounds on anyone elses land, where permission is given I dont see a problem, the original posting is odd in the fact that if they were chasing a fox they were breaking the law anyway, but if it was someones garden the person laying the scent would have been unlikely to go through a private garden anyway, with all the hoo har over hunting it seems strange that a hunter would deliberately be wanting to cause trouble, the dustbin thing doesn't add up as the hounds wouldn't be chasing an animal but a laid scent.
Having said all that who knows why people act like twats, maybe the guy demanding to go in the garden or jump the wall is the same guy who cuts you up on the road or insists on using his phone while filling up with petrol or driving, parking in disabled parking spaces ect ect, the worlds full of twats, you know the saying, one bad apple !!!!!!
 
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I always carry my camera phone to feed the chickens...they do the funniest things
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I did have chickens and often filmed them, until a fox took them all one night, left them dead for a good way across the fields.
I now film my ducks, equally as funny and sometimes more noisy!
 
I'm not anti, or particularly pro hunting, but I'd like to make a couple of points.
Firstly, the local hunt meet at the yard where I keep my three...and cause me a lot of bother, unintentionally as my horses are grass kept and I don't have enough stables to bring them in. They have to stay out whilst the hunt goes round their field, and draws in the woods next to them. This means I end up going up to check that my horses are ok....very time consuming. I wouldn't mind, but the hunt are smarmy to the land owner, and ignore everyone else rudely.
Secondly, if Severn_Mistletoe's posts are an example of a pro-hunt supporter, I would regard this as negative PR for the hunts. I don't have any personal issues with SM....but there is no call for implying other forum members are either lying or don't know what they are talking about.
Both sides of the hunting debate would gain from a little respect for others' viewpoints.
I am sure, that the replies will immediately and incorrectly assume that I am an anti...but let's see...
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