Black Box has anyone used it???

Do you mean the witchcraft thing where someone heals your horse by putting something in a black box ? I can't believe anyone would be taken in by that ?
 
The last time I heard anyone talk about this must be 20 years ago. In theory, you sent some horse hair and some money and the black box person would keep both and your horse would stay healthy ? Is that what you are talking about here ?
 
It's all true! Have not hear the expression for about 20 years though! Loads of people usded to put their horses/ponies 'on the box' for a variety of reasons.

showing people used to for a particular show where they wanted to do well for the horse/pony to behave....it was not just a healing thing.

Incredible! However, I have to say I can remember some highly thought of people who seemed totally sane using it.
 
Some 35 years ago when I was a groom (in the days when you chopped your own chaff with a manual cutter -back breaking!-, there were only jute rugs or New Zealand rugs and you walked hunters for six weeks every day getting them fit), we had the "black box" lady. The way she worked was that you sent her some mane or tail hair; from memory, it had to have the roots on it and from that she would diagnose the problem with your horse and "prescribe" a remedy. Where the black box came in I can't tell you, but that's how she was known. One I remember was she prescribed the mineral silica for a 4 year old head shaker, which the horse licked from the palm of your hand. Strangely it worked. My employer at the time was not known for her airy fairy ways, shall we say, but she was happy to use the method.

I know now that we can detect all sorts of things from hair and roots, but how she did it then was a mystery and I think deliberately so. If anyone's got any more information I'd be interested to hear it.
 
I used to work for someone that did radionics, and I have been treated on the 'black box' and it works! She also used to treat horses for several well known riders.

She would do pendulum dowsing over the witness (hair) and that would tell her how many treatments it needed. She had a big book with all the rates on to treat different illness's and then she would put the hair on the box and press a button that would click off after a few minutes, that was 1 treatment.

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before i start , let me tell you i was as sceptical as the rest of you.

however, a few years ago my daughter had a lovely 14hh connemara who was wonderful in every way, but for some reason suddenly took against travelling in our trailer. he would literally collapse and thrash around as soon as the trailer started to move.
we tried everything- partitions in and out, tried feeding him and i would try to travel with him as my friend drove us round the block but to no avail- he was completely panic stricken.

so in desperation i sent some mane off to a black box lady and to cut a long story short she told me to travel him on certain days at certain times that week.
lo and behold he was good as gold and didnt move.

also, this pony came to us with history of bucking on a circle when going from trot to canter- he had always done it (we knew the person who backed and broke him in) and was just accepted as his only fault.
when the black box lady phoned me to give me the dates to travel him she asked if he ever bucked when going into canter as she had felt some pain so had healed it.
he never bucked again

explain that ???- cause i can't..........
 
as above... it sounds mental, but it can work.
what else can't we explain? if i gave you a radioactive rock and told you to carry it around with you, you'd get sick and die, all because of something you can't see or really understand (or is that just me?!)
don't discount it just because it sounds so bizarre. ditto "horse whisperers" etc.
 
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It's a load of old rubbish! I used to pay for it for my old horse for ages as he had melanomas. Don't waste your money, the only possible effect is in your mind.

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My lady didn't charge people, she said that if it helped then that was good enough for her.
 
What a great piece of blinding with science! Love it!

I am generally very sceptical of horse whisperers, back people etc etc, but having had actual experience of the black box thing and so many years ago as well, I just thought I'd mention it as being my experience. Perhaps it does actually work in itself, but only for certain things - for instance, it would I suspect be unlikely to heal a broken leg as such, but it might help with nervous systems. Or it could be the old placebo thing about if you believe that something is going to happen or something will help, then you unconsciously change your behaviour or your mind set so that whatever it is does actually come about. Again, I don't think any change in behaviour in an owner is likely to mend a broken leg, but if you honestly believe, however unlikely, that putting hair in a black box will make your horse load better, then you're possibly likely to be more confident and relaxed which your horse will pick up on.

To me, this is why there isn't really any "magic" in all the Parellis and all the other techniques as such. They seem to me to be just experienced individuals who are confident that they can cope with anything a horse can throw at them and they just quietly bang on consistently until the horse thinks, oh, ok. Now, me, if you told me a horse bucked, I'd be tense getting on it from the start and at the first slight lift, I'd fall off, because that's what's I'm expecting and that would be the end of it! Guess that's why I'm not a famous horse whisperer.

I don't say this with the intention of opening the usual Parelli/non Parelli debate, it's just that sometimes our minds do more than we can know.
 
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I have to say that I feel the Red box is far superior to the Black box.

As it just happens I am a highly trained scientific practicioner in red box therapy and for the bargin price of £29.99 I can offer you an individual session.

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I know two people that have used it both highly professional one has Show jumpers grade A ints definately not a numpty or a softy she has used it on and off on different ones over many years and the other an eventing/ dealing yard again no softies. Btw both of these people would have hysterics if you used the P word or animal communicators yet both had results with this. I am not thinking of using one but like I said just wondered if anyone else had.
 
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It's a load of old rubbish! I used to pay for it for my old horse for ages as he had melanomas. Don't waste your money, the only possible effect is in your mind.

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My lady didn't charge people, she said that if it helped then that was good enough for her.

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If it's free then it can't do any harm. I would just never advise anyone to spend money on it - and I did it!
 
sorry, cariad, wasn't attempting to blind with science, i'm the most unscientifically-minded person on the planet, just trying to show that sometimes things aren't as they look!
i know of top people (including those who ride for their country) who use the black box.
if it's a case of a horse travelling like a nutcase when not "on the box", and travelling like an angel when it is, (and i've heard of quite a few like this), i can't see how the groom's/rider's attitude would affect it... if they're driving, not standing beside it!
 
Yes I have used it and I do think it works - well sort of!

My mare was becoming more and more unpredictable to ride - to the extent that she had bolted on a couple of occasions and was definitely extremely uncomfortable when ridden - absolutely fine to handle though. We took her to one of the Midland's leading equine Horsepitals who did a thorough work up of her under saddle and untacked and agreed there was something definitely going on! Ran blood tests, internals, flexion tests - the whole gamut of tests and nothing could be found. The only thing they could suggest was to inject her with a tranquilliser and ride her. Stupidly I did - she was still manic! We tried riding her on 'bute in case it was pain related - no improvement.

In desperation we tried the Black Box. They came up with the diagnosis of leptospirosis which was affecting her central nervous system, ie any pressure from tack or rider and she went into spasms.

Now funnily enough just after I bought this mare she had had 3 episodes of uveitis (moon blindness). This was treated by the vet and she had apparently made a full recovery. It was only later when I discussed her case with another vet who was "open" to "alternative therapies" that he researched the matter and lo and behold uveitis is often the first symptom of leptospirosis infection!!

Unfortunately in my mare's case it was too late to do anything about the infection - she had had it and it has left her with central nervous system damage. Leptospirosis also affected her immune system and she has had 2 devastating attacks of laminitis. The black box couldn't cure her but at least we had a partial answer to why a lovely calm mare turned into a complete and utter "nightmare" to ride!
 
The black box is completely inadequate and you will not build up a true meaningful relationship with your horse using it....

I have the truelly revolutionary Carrot Box. It's box shaped and acts in a similar way to the black box........but........it's COMPLETELY different because it's white & its a carrot box.

This will enable a balanced two way communication experience with your horse, not a one way forced intrusion into his mind!.

Only £1,000 per 5 minute session.

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That's ok, it wasn't you, it was the lovely link in k9h's post that had me laughing. My partner is a scientist and reading some of the articles he has is like looking at another language. It's English, but not as we know it.

I think we're making the same point really. I believe I have seen the black box actually work even if I don't know why, but there could be other explanations for other circumstances. But then, if something achieves the desired affect, however it does it, as long as it's not harmful or costs an arm and a leg, then perhaps we should just think "great, job done".

It is interesting that others have pointed out the fact that many of these practitioners don't charge. that was certainly the case with our lady, though we did make donations. She didn't ask for any payment though.
 
It is a tad hard reading!

But I know of 2 vets that use this & the Royal Dick are interested after they had a friends horse in who had literally turned mental trying to kill you. Before he was winning dressage test.

In the end the RD said to put the horse down. S could not just do that & she had a test done on that particular machine, 2 weeks being on the remedy & the horse returned to how he was & winning tests again.
S did not have any faith in the machine it was a last resort for her horse.

I also know of Hickstead Derby winners & BE**** riders using this machine as well as everyday farmers for their cows, sheep. Lets face it, we love our farmers but they are tight & are not going to pay for something that does not work & keep coming back & using it.

You can not say that there is a placebo effect on an animal they do not know why you are giving them that remedy for. In fact the farmers just put it into water troughs so they cows do not even know they are being given anything!

Just because we do not understand or explain it does not mean that it will not work!
 
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