Black Boxers?

[prosefullstop]

We met one of these today at the park, and I don't recall having seen one before, even though my family has owned a fair few over the years.

Is this a newfangled, money-getting scheme or an established colour variation? I must say the dog was absolutely gorgeous; it looked like a huge Boston terrier, too, with its four white paws.

 

[s4sugar]

It is a mutt.

The black probably comes from a staffy in the background. 3/4 + boxers look like boxers.

They are being advertised on some of the less reputable (being polite here) sites in the States.

 

[Vizslak]

I'm not knowledgable on boxers but don't believe black to be an acceptable colour for a boxer as far as breed standard goes. I would think it must have been crossed with something somewhere along the line to create that colouring, I've never seen or heard of a black boxer before.

 

[prosefullstop]

I'm not knowledgable on boxers but don't believe black to be an acceptable colour for a boxer as far as breed standard goes. I would think it must have been crossed with something somewhere along the line to create that colouring, I've never seen or heard of a black boxer before.

Nor me. My extended family tended to have the white ones from litters that nobody else wanted, but I don't recall any black ones along the way.

Just done a quick check of google, and apparently there's no such thing as a black boxer--they're merely reverse brindles.

 

[JoG]

I think when i had a boxer I looked into this and found something that said black boxers used to be common in Germany around the time of WWII but the colour has been bred out and is no longer recognised as breed standard

 

[competitiondiva]

I did a google search for black boxer dog, as I like the above had never heard of them, this came up:

There are a lot of people who say that they own black boxer dogs. Likewise, there are many backyard breeders who purport to be selling "rare" black boxer dogs. The problem? There are no black boxer dogs.

Perhaps that seems a little confusing. Maybe you have even seen a black boxer dog yourself, and you can't see how the above statement could possibly be correct. Well, it is a factual statement-there are no black boxer dogs. It is genetically impossible for a black boxer dog to exist.

What are these dogs, then?

So, this begs the question-what, exactly, are the black boxer dogs that backyard breeders are selling and that people say they own? What was that black boxer dog that you might have seen yourself? After all, these dogs look every bit like boxers...and you might be thinking that the coloring of these dogs looks like black to you.

As it turns out, these dogs are actually brindle boxers. Some people call them reverse brindle boxers. Nonetheless, they are brindles, not black boxer dogs.

A brindle boxer is one that has some type of fawn coloring (from a tan color to a dark reddish color)-but, on top of the fawn coloring are black stripes. Boxers can have any number or sort of black striping. They can even have such a quantity of black striping that they appear to be black with fawn-colored striping. The boxers who have this much black striping are often called reverse brindle boxers.

Some of these brindle boxers may end up with such a great amount of black striping that it can be quite difficult to find the fawn undercolor. Boxer experts know that there is fawn underneath; however, those who are uneducated about boxers naturally assume that these are black boxer dogs.

Why the deception?
When a backyard breeder sells dogs that he claims are "rare" black boxer dogs, he can sell them at a higher price than the price at which he sells his other boxer dogs. Since many backyard breeders are not quite ethical in a lot of their practices, this price gouging over a falsehood fits in with how these breeders function. Of course, not all backyard breeders are like this; however, any backyard breeder who claims to be selling a breed variety that doesn't exist in nature probably doesn't have the highest moral standards.

Why is it so impossible for there to be black boxer dogs?

It takes a simple knowledge of genetics to understand. Basically, every being-whether it is a mammal, like a dog, or an amphibian or anything else-has genes. These genes determine everything about the being, from skin color to the number legs to where the eyes are...genes control everything.

Genes control coat color in dogs, too. In order for a dog to be black, that breed of dog must contain the gene for having a black coat. Boxer dogs do not have that gene. So, there cannot be any black boxer dogs. It is genetically impossible for a boxer to have a black coat.

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[s4sugar]

Black brindle boxers exist but they are not the same as black boxers.

The black brindles are dark and may show very little striping but it is obviously present. I have seen several and if you put them next to a black dog the difference is obvious.

There are people purporting to breed "black boxers" and these have been crossed with a black dog, usually a staffy or a lab, to give the colour.

 

[QUICKFIRE]

I have in the past bred Boxers, and from one of the litters had what looked like a black boxer, but in fact was a very dark brindle with a lack of the brown/fawn colouring. As mentioned above if put next to a black dog you would very much see the difference.