black or brown tack on piebalds?

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I love black tack. However, I really want to switch to brown. I have a piebald horse and im not sure how brown tack would look on him.

does anybody have any picture of there piebald in brown tack?
 

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Brown / Havana has it used to be called is correct, black is a ‘recent’ trend. Black horses always look ‘blacker’ in brown well oiled tack as black tends to diminish the horses colour. (Hope that makes sense!)
 

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Brown / Havana has it used to be called is correct, black is a ‘recent’ trend.


You might need to update your ideas on that GB. I bought my first black saddle in 1985, nearly 40 years ago, when they were spreading like wildfire in new purchses (even though they did go green with age).

Black has been "correct" for a long, long time now (except perhaps at national showing level).
 
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You might need to update your ideas on that GB. I bought my first black saddle in 1985, nearly 40 years ago, when they were spreading like wildfire in new purchses (even though they did go green with age).

Black has been "correct" for a long, long time now (except perhaps at national showing level).
Well you must have been one of the ‘trendy’ people in the mid 80’s that upset the traditionalists. l’ve been around rather longer than you and remember black saddles hitting the market, l’ve never had one despite the fact, for a while there were a lot of black secondhand ones around when they became less trendy, and were consequently cheaper. I dont know if that’s still the case. These days it seems you can have any colour you want but brown would still be the choice of many people.
 

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Well you must have been one of the ‘trendy’ people in the mid 80’s that upset the traditionalists. l’ve been around rather longer than you and remember black saddles hitting the market, l’ve never had one despite the fact, for a while there were a lot of black secondhand ones around when they became less trendy, and were consequently cheaper. I dont know if that’s still the case. These days it seems you can have any colour you want but brown would still be the choice of many people.

I wasnt trying to be trendy, it's all the saddler was stocking . Though it was certainly cool to have one, but I think most of that was because if it was black everybody knew you'd bought new and buying new in the leisure market was a lot less common back then.
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Brown / Havana has it used to be called is correct, black is a ‘recent’ trend. Black horses always look ‘blacker’ in brown well oiled tack as black tends to diminish the horses colour. (Hope that makes sense!)

As a fitter specialising in cobs and natives and fitting a LOT of show horses as well as leisure, this all day long (though don't oil it, use a good conditioner 😉😁). Brown is a broad category, the lighter tans were always the poshest leathers, as nothing could be masked but it was, as ycbm says, a long time ago. Black was for harness as it's easier to hide faults. We now have dark and light havana, Australian nut, chocolate and myriad more browns.
 

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I use havana on my piebald, simply because I prefer brown tack. I'd say it accentuates his black patches. although he's mostly white, so the brown doesn't touch them apart from round his ears.
 

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My tack is black (on a grey and coloured) which just happened - can't remember making an informed choice lol - think it came down to best fit in the end. One of these saddles is going decidedly green now. I assumed it was just fading but instructer says it's because its dried out and needs a good oiling/clean which I'm not sure I agree with (although I don't clean it that much lol). Can anyone enlighten me ?? X
 

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Wiggy is very dark bay, almost black. He came with a black saddle but my old brown one fits him better and (thankfully) looks better on him too. The black one makes his coat look sun bleached and faded whereas the brown makes him look a lovely rich colour.
 

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My tack is black (on a grey and coloured) which just happened - can't remember making an informed choice lol - think it came down to best fit in the end. One of these saddles is going decidedly green now. I assumed it was just fading but instructer says it's because its dried out and needs a good oiling/clean which I'm not sure I agree with (although I don't clean it that much lol). Can anyone enlighten me ?? X

Black leather dye, like hair dye, needs all colours in it. In fact when dyeing hair from light to dark it's recommended you use a red based intermediary "filler" which can stop very dark dyes looking cold and odd. It may be that black dyes lack enough red in them, or it's simply that the red fades, green being opposite red in the colour wheel so it's often the colour that then shows up. Green or grey is most common. Brown leather simply becomes a slightly different shade of brown.

I know that's slightly short of definitive and specific but it's definitely fairly scientific 😄
 

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Black leather dye, like hair dye, needs all colours in it. In fact when dyeing hair from light to dark it's recommended you use a red based intermediary "filler" which can stop very dark dyes looking cold and odd. It may be that black dyes lack enough red in them, or it's simply that the red fades, green being opposite red in the colour wheel so it's often the colour that then shows up. Green or grey is most common. Brown leather simply becomes a slightly different shade of brown.

I know that's slightly short of definitive and specific but it's definitely fairly scientific 😄
I've heard it both ways, that either red dye molecules are smaller than other colours, so (at least when talking about hair!) wash out easier, or are larger so don't penetrate as deeply. So would stand to reason either way in regards to your colour wheel theory re the green!
 

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Thanks for the replies.
So basically even if I oil/ condition said saddle it won't make any difference to the colour - thought that was the case so now feel smug it's been confirmed plus I don't feel as if I have to rush out and do some cleaning lol x
 

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Thanks for the replies.
So basically even if I oil/ condition said saddle it won't make any difference to the colour - thought that was the case so now feel smug it's been confirmed plus I don't feel as if I have to rush out and do some cleaning lol x

No it won't, it can only usually temporarily darken it, so you'll just get darker green! You can get saddles dyed, and there are conditioners, iirc, that put some colour back in gradually, like toners for hair, but I'd leave well alone unless getting it dyed professionally. I THINK someone on here dyed a saddle themselves and reported back it went well, so you might find something if you search.
 

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Thank you willdo.
Its an older saddle and doesnt look that bad - just seemed a little more noticeable lately. Who knows - I might start a new trend x
 

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You might need to update your ideas on that GB. I bought my first black saddle in 1985, nearly 40 years ago, when they were spreading like wildfire in new purchses (even though they did go green with age).

Black has been "correct" for a long, long time now (except perhaps at national showing level).
Might depend on where you were , i only ever saw brown tack as a child in Devon, My bridles came in light tan and we were told to use oil to darken over time. When i came back to riding in London on the 2000s after a long break there was black as well.

Getting back to the original question, i don't like black on a black horse for the same reason i don't like white saddlecloths on white/light greys. The colour is too close and make the horse colour look faded or dirty.

However saddles are such a big purchase and i usually buy secondhand so I'm not fussy about colour.
 

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Might depend on where you were , i only ever saw brown tack as a child in Devon, My bridles came in light tan and we were told to use oil to darken over time. When i came back to riding in London on the 2000s after a long break there was black as well.

^^^ Oh my goodness! I am in Devon and remember well from my Pony Club youth how ALL tack in those days (inc saddles) were Tan coloured. If you had the luxury of a new saddle then you had to jolly-well crack on and get going with the Hydrophane oil on it, which is what I recall being recommended to use. A measure of your dedication to this task was the sheer kudos of turning up with nice dark harness!!

Different now of course.

Personally I always go for black on a piebald; brown for a skewbald.

My last two horses have both been piebalds (one after the other: not intentional, it just somehow happened!) and both times my choice has been black for them.
 
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