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Helllllo!

Havent been on for over a year due to me not having a computer at home anymore. Right no one will remember my lovely (IMO) appy x mare Breeze.

Well she was meant to make 14.2hh and now at 3 years old is 15.2hh. :p:p:p:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Now that's not my issue , my issue is i have moved her home to mum and dads, we have two small paddocks and i rent a 2 acre field. I have her behind electric mains fence, in strip grazed paddocks by day and in her stable at night, shes just been backed by me and im totally in love.

Well a week ago today a stallion that lives in the valley decided to rip his fencing, rip the field fence down and smash up my electric fencing to get to her. I had previously emailed the owner of said stallion as he has been charging around. he said he grazes fine next to mares if they have electric fencing up. I ook his word for it and for a week they were happy like this, Breeze is slightly gay and only comes into season if grazed with mares, she was out of season when he jumped in, i was an hour away and when arrived at field my poor mare was frantically kicking stallion and not allowing him to mount her. Luckily it had rained so she was rugged up, her rug is in pieces now. It took stallion owner 2 hours to arrive and another hour to take stallion away.

My poor filly jumped the gate to run away from this beast (hes shire x tb ). he kept trying to mount her even when i had my mare on a rope and a halter on him. I received a kick and my mare had to have the vet out to dress a few gashes on her hind legs. poor girl had to spend the next three days shut away.

Stallion owner said its my fault for bringing a mare into valley.... we had two colts here and never ever did they get out to his brood mare. He doesnt live here anymore and only checks his horses once a week by sticking his head over the gate. The RSPCA and WHW have been out but because stallions are all condition score 2 they cant do anything, their feet are awful, its the sharp and jagged feet that have injured my mare.

She is now on limited turnout and stallion has been put in a different field. Shes off work again for 2 weeks now which is cr*p cos im just riding her away. She has a double electric fence up now one a foot away from the other to keep her safe. She doesnt get out as is terrified of the fence. She has now come into season.

Two things ..... what do i do about the stallion and two if she is now in season does that mean she wasnt covered??
 
lurcherlu said:
Helllllo!





Two things ..... what do i do about the stallion and two if she is now in season does that mean she wasnt covered??
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Welcome back!

Being in season means she *probably* isn't in foal, what does your vet think?

It is the stallion owner's responsibility to keep his horse in, not yours to keep it out. Did your vet check the filly? If so, send the stallion owner the bill. If he refuses to pay send a solicitor's letter. If you are a BHS Gold member, get some advice from them.
 
He thinks the same, although a scan later down the line would confirm... but its money i just dont have and her insurance is third party only. Vet looked her over, luckily she is in good nick in general and running around for 3 hours hasnt damaged her. Thank God for the cob in her
 
I would bill the stallion's owner for any/all treatment & tests resulting from the stallion's visit. You would not need any of it if his stallion had been securely fenced in, as he should have been. I would also report this dangerous animal to your local council's animal welfare dept. I think you need to be very firm about this, don't let the stallion's owner bully you.
 
It is the stallion owners responsibility. By law it is your responsibility to keep your horses within your property (even if you
got stupid neighbours who take down bordering fence and leave a hole in it which is why I am so sure of this) and any damage and costs are the responsibility of the owner of the offending horse. There is a slight hole though, in that if they get into property that has not been fenced off, ie through an open gateway, the land owner classed as 50% responsible.

I would speak to the RSPCA and see if they would aid you in suing him for costs and damages. You are perfectly entitiled to graze a mare, and again, it is his responsibility to contain his stallion(s)

You are entitled to claim for any vets fees, damage to property, damage to yourself, and if she was in foal, you would be entitled to claim for keep of your horse for the time that she was carrying, for both mare and foal on ground, and for advertising costs to rehome foal, offset by anything that you may make on said foal. Or simply the injection from the vet (that is not expensive) that can make sure that she doesnt carry, which may be the cheapest and most straightforward option.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I would bill the stallion's owner for any/all treatment & tests resulting from the stallion's visit. You would not need any of it if his stallion had been securely fenced in, as he should have been. I would also report this dangerous animal to your local council's animal welfare dept. I think you need to be very firm about this, don't let the stallion's owner bully you.
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This is what I would do .
He won't pay from the sound of it but then take him to the small claims court don't be bullied don't back down .
I am glad the mare did not get badly hurt.
 
It is the owner's responsibility to fence in their own animals. I doubt if you will get any money but you could try sending him the bill.

Also if you have tried RSPCA and WHW, try the BHS welfare people, get in touch through Stoneleigh and they forward it to the local person (but not who is making the report, i.e. you). Someof the Welfare Officers are quite tough with experience of dealing with difficult people, like vets or ex police.
 
Even if you had vet's bill insurance cover, your insurer would not pay, they would expect the stallion's owner to pay. The benefit to you would be that the ins co would chase the owner for the money.
 
They should never have removed the requirement to have Dangerous Animals Licence for stallions - it helped deter numpties like this. OP, I wouldn't worry about a pregnancy. Covered mares are always kept very quiet after the job is done and for good reason. Years ago the inevitable happened when someone put a nice arab stallion in the field above our neighbour's field containing their mare. Over the wall he came (big drop on the landing side didn't put him off) and he rogered the mare quite happily as we watched out of the kitchen window. The neighbour tried to catch the mare and nearly got himself killed in the process - stallion wasn't giving up his new conquest that easily, but eventually they got her in. Given the amount of post-nookie running around that had gone on, nothing "stuck" at all and there was no pregnancy. A shame really as it would have been a decent quality foal as the mare was anglo arab and well-bred.
 
Stallion jumped out again , luckily my mare was grabbed by mothe and put away from him, this time he covered 3 mares at least one is pregnant .....

Now my issue is strange behaviour from my are.... Marish etc, and she is usually so sweet and caring. And odd belly sounds, and odd shape .....

Vet came ou and blood tested yesterday,if she is in foal we are 130 days in....

Test results due Tuesday..... HOpe she isn't and is just being a cow, she is wormed up to date etc. stallion is shire xtb , and around 17 HH. She has been doing so well hacking out and. 2 hours autumn hunting was ace, really hope she's not in foal :(

Don't have any horse brewing experience, vet said normal riding no jumping if in foal, and I've turned her away for 5 weeks and we are just doing a dawdle hour hack once a week ATM due to work. Walking only ..... What should I be doing if she is in foal and any good books if Tuesday gives a positive result ??? Getting legal advice regarding covering costs etc
 
Do you have Prostagalndin (sp) in the UK ? It is usually used to bring a mare into season, but can be used on a mare that has been "accidentally" covered. Bit like a morning after pill. It's not the most fun thing to go thru (they sweat heaps) but there are no lasting after effects. Had to get my mare done years ago and she was fine afterwards.
 
I would email him again, I would state that as the owner of a stallion it is HIS responsibility to ensure his animals are properly managed and contained. I would tell him that I was getting the vets out to check my mare for injuries, pregnancy and infection and that he is to pay for visit and any follow up treatment/ costs incurred I would also inform him he needed to pay for a new rug. I would further inform him that should his stallion make its way onto my land again, I will be contacting all relevant authorities and making a case for it to be gelded prior to being turned to the owner... Fencing, would also be fixed at stallion owners cost. I would inform the owner that should he refuse to pay for any and all costs incurred, I would peruse the matter through the courts.

I would also go out first thing tomorrow and take photos of fencing damage, your mare and any injuries and the damage to her rug. I would retain copies but also send these via email. Should he respond at all negatively, I would contact my solicitor the same day.
 
Isnt this deja vu?

Why on earth not get the injection as was recommended above? This would have saved all this hassle

Did you take action after the original break out with regards to sending him a bill or fencing the stallion in more securely? If so he could be in more trouble this time round
 
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