Bolting horse

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I’ve had my cob for about 4 years. He was brought as a ride and drive, unseen. But we saw multiple videos of him being ridden, and driven in very heavy traffic, and he was fine.

The day after he arrived, we lead him around on the ground, and he was spooking at everything! He was also a little underweight. We had physio out and he was a bit sore in his back, had saddle fitter out, correctly fitted saddle etc. We did the exercises the physio gave us, we gave him some time off to rest and gain some weight. We had all checks re-done, and given the all clear.

We then started long reining for a good few weeks, we’d go for miles, he’d spook and spin at things like drain covers, we carried on with the long reining. When he ‘seemed’ happy with it, we tacked him up and drove him out, he was quite strong a few times, and looked worried to death at cars coming towards him in the opposite lane. We got to the bottom of the road of our yard, and to this day, we don’t know what it was, but he bolted, there was a big builders pickup behind and traffic coming towards, or it could have been a fly bite, but he bolted, there was no stopping him. He turned the cart over, thrashing about in the road, he got up and started bolting the other way, up a verge and straight down, thrashing around again, he got up, we finally managed to grab him and set him free from the trap. Vet was called straight away, he had cuts to every limb, but thankfully, nothing serious.

I decided there and then, that there was no way I was attempting to drive him again.

A few weeks later, I lead him out, I did lots of lunging and groundwork, he would still spook at lots of different things, I tried my very best to desensitise him, but he was still nervous, he was ridden a few times, still spooky, but not too bad.

The next year or so, he didn’t do an awful lot, he’s very low mileage ridden, but hes been lead out, ALOT, for miles and miles, with and without the company of another horse/s. Over summer, we started trying to get him really working, but took it slowly, due to the fact that he has these bolting issues, always seemingly due to fear, I thought I’d try and get a ridden trot/canter on the lunge line, I asked my friend to hold on to the lunge, he instantly started looking at the lunge line and freaking out, my friend didn’t have hold of the lunge line properly, he bolted. I know I should have tried to turn him into a smaller circle, but I was so worried he’d end up tangled in it, I thought I’d try and ride it out, he was galloping and bucking and bronking, and off I went, very narrowly avoiding whacking my head on a fence post!

Over the next week or so, I thought I’d do more groundwork, desensitising etc. Initially I couldn’t get near him with the lunge line, but I ended up getting him lightly lunging, I’d put the lungeline on his back etc, as soon as you put it near his feet, or behind him, he’ll bolt.

I then lead him out with my Daughter on my other pony. I actually cried by the time I got back, because he quite frankly terrified me that much! He saw donkeys, he was spinning and trying to bolt, same with dogs (which he has never, ever been afraid of) joggers, the sound of the gravel on the ground, cyclists etc. I carried on for a few minutes, but I had to turn back, by this time he was even starting to upset my other pony, and he’d seen another rider coming towards us in the distance and just desperately wanted to take off, his eyes are wide open, his breathing is really fast and heavy, snorting and he really does look completely wild by this point. When we crossed the road to our yard, we obviously had to wait and stop for traffic, the whole time he’s spinning, when he realised he couldn’t bolt, he reared up (never done that before!) I have never been as scared as I was in my life that day, I’ve always talked to him, remained calm, but that day, I honestly don’t know how we got home without him killing us, or someone else. I’ve been thinking since then, I’m just going to retire him (he’s 10!) I feel like he’s completely knocked my confidence, I’ve tried so hard, but I just think, and worry he has serious bolting issues that we can’t get him out of.

Does anyone think this is something that will change, am I doing something wrong? I’d never part with him, he’s not had a great start in life, had previously been dumped as a terrified colt and made to carry some heavy loads. And I love him to bits, but it’s gutting that I can’t do anything with him.
 

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You have persevered far far longer than most would have done.
Once they've had an accident in the shafts, then most wont ever put to again with them, nor repeat anything like long reining etc.
If you are happy to keep him as a field ornament and he is safe enough to do so, then that's fine. If he is an issue in the field whatsoever, then pts would be the right thing.
 

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The only thing you did wrong really was buying him in the first place. Cobs from a dubious background have sometimes had accidents in harness which is one of the reasons they are being sold, but the sellers would not admit it in a million years. They never really 100% recover from trauma.
If you like him give him a nice life as a pasture pet.
 

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Thanks everyone, it’s as I thought. My Dad wants to get him going, thinks he can cure him of his issues, even saying that if he puts a martingale on him then he won’t rear, but the rearing was a first time incident, I’ve no doubt whatsoever it was because ‘the only way is up’. I’m so terrified he’s just going to take him out anyway, and then he’ll get killed/kill someone else. But no bit/bridle etc is going to stop this!


If it’s completely up to me, I’ll never take him out of the yard again. I have made it absolutely clear that I’m not going to be doing any of it, but can’t stop my Dad.

All checks have been done on him, X-rays etc, there is no physical issue. He’s a sweetie out in the paddock, good to groom and just make a bit of fuss of. I’ll happily keep him as a companion, but after reading your comments, I think my decision is right. I really have tried!
 

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Presumably it’s your pony, not your dad’s?

Perhaps the wisest thing to do is remind your father that the pony could not only kill him, but also an innocent passer by.
He’s both of ours really, Dad brought him but I do the majority of the looking after, and I’ve done the majority of the groundwork etc. I’ve tried and tried to tell him, he just says he can get him out of it, and that he watches YouTube videos about it!

He says he just needs desensitising. My other pony was quite nervous of some things, and still doesn’t particularly like really big/loud vehicles, but she doesn’t react like him. He really is dangerous! I think he’s just mentally broken, there has to be some real mental scars, I’ve certainly never done anything to him to make him like it, and I really have always remained calm with him, until that last time I lead him out. At one point I was thinking to myself I’m going to have to get a box to get him back home, but then I still would have had to get him safely somewhere to be picked up, and I couldn’t do that either! I’m not nervous around horses at all, but he terrified me!
 

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He’s both of ours really, Dad brought him but I do the majority of the looking after, and I’ve done the majority of the groundwork etc. I’ve tried and tried to tell him, he just says he can get him out of it, and that he watches YouTube videos about it!

He says he just needs desensitising. My other pony was quite nervous of some things, and still doesn’t particularly like really big/loud vehicles, but she doesn’t react like him. He really is dangerous! I think he’s just mentally broken, there has to be some real mental scars, I’ve certainly never done anything to him to make him like it, and I really have always remained calm with him, until that last time I lead him out. At one point I was thinking to myself I’m going to have to get a box to get him back home, but then I still would have had to get him safely somewhere to be picked up, and I couldn’t do that either! I’m not nervous around horses at all, but he terrified me!
Get him put down then before your father completely f’s things up any more.
 

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Horses are supposed to be a fun hobby, if he is frightening you and you feel unsafe then it absolutely sounds like the time to stop. You sound like a kind and thoughtful owner who has already tried very hard to help the horse overcome his fears.

It sounds very much like he had an accident in harness prior to you buying him. This would explain the sudden fear of the lunge line too, as to him it would resemble trailing reins/broken harness. As he gets upset about various other things when out and about I wouldn't be surprised if the previous accident had happened whilst he was being driven on the roads, and he now associates those things with fear.

It is unlikely that you will ever find out exactly what happened or what is causing him to be so fearful, but after trying to work him through it for four years you have every right to call it a day now and accept that he needs to be retired to the field.

If you really want to persist (not just because your father wants you to) then I would suggest a work up by a vet to ensure there is absolutely no pain issue contributing to the behaviour, and if you get the all clear then pay for a reputable equine behaviourist to work with you. I am not sure this would mean you would ever reach the point he was a safe and reliable ride (and I would never drive him again, it's too dangerous for yourself and passers by), but it may reduce his fear levels and result in a somewhat calmer horse.
 

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A horse that has truly bolted in harness should never, for the safety of everyone else and itself, never be hitched up again. Ever.

There’s also an insurance question with this, if he does it again and hurts / kills someone and you know he does it, there’s a good chance the insurance will refuse to payout. Which could lead to you losing everything.

Have him put down or keep him in the field and point out to your Dad that he could kill someone else who’s just walking on the road, and ask if he’s really that selfish.
 

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There are some things that cannot be fixed, and this sounds like one of them. Whatever has caused it, your pony is traumatised and so frightened that he will harm himself and anything, anyone in his way if he bolts again. I feel so sorry for the horse, and for you. Well done for seeing the situation for what it is. Your dad*, on the other hand....


*YouTube: ha!
 
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Because a lot of people report extreme spookiness as a symptom of PSSM. If a £30 hair test can give an answer and potentially lead to the horse coming back into work, why not give it a go?

PSSM was my first thought but this pony, I think, can never be trusted again and needs to stay in the paddock or be PTS regardless of whether it can be treated for PSSM.
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Poor pony! I would never try to put the pony back in harness - it isn't fair on the pony and it will never be safe.
Perhaps tell your Dad that you want nothing else to do with the pony? If you are doing the majority of the looking after, it might make your Dad think twice.
 

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Even if there is a mendable physical reason, phantom/expectation of pain can keep causing the behaviour for a good while afterwards and by the sounds of it, this animal's actions/reactions are too dangerous to risk any repeats of past episodes.

EVen if it's not pain he sounds traumatised and pts or retirement would be kindest.
 

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Thankyou all, I’ve had a talk with my Dad, and he said he’s not going to, thank God! I really do believe he’ll end up killing someone otherwise. I just dread to think what’s happened to him in his past, he’s certainly had not very nice people taking ‘care’ of him in the past. He’s a lovely boy, and very sweet with my mare, he can live his days out in the field and getting some pampering. I’m quite gutted that we can’t do much with him, but I love him to bits. I guess some animals are just too damaged, he’s been hurt, and he just needs to be loved now.
 

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Thanks everyone, it’s as I thought. My Dad wants to get him going, thinks he can cure him of his issues, even saying that if he puts a martingale on him then he won’t rear, but the rearing was a first time incident, I’ve no doubt whatsoever it was because ‘the only way is up’. I’m so terrified he’s just going to take him out anyway, and then he’ll get killed/kill someone else. But no bit/bridle etc is going to stop this!


If it’s completely up to me, I’ll never take him out of the yard again. I have made it absolutely clear that I’m not going to be doing any of it, but can’t stop my Dad.

All checks have been done on him, X-rays etc, there is no physical issue. He’s a sweetie out in the paddock, good to groom and just make a bit of fuss of. I’ll happily keep him as a companion, but after reading your comments, I think my decision is right. I really have tried!

A martingale won't stop rearing if they are determined, though. I agree that it sounds like he reared because he couldn't run.

I agree with everyone else, regardless of what is causing these issues, he is massively unsafe and if he is going to be kept alive, he needs to not be ridden again. Even if there was a cause due to pain, you can't be sure that he will never be in pain again ridden/driven, and if his reaction is so extreme, he will end up injuring someone.
 
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