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we don't know if she was hanging off the side or not....she lost her stirrup, it came off the saddle, and she eventually fell off after at least 100m galloping through maize. Whether she was hanging off at the start I could not say
 
True, but the stirrup came off the saddle, maybe thats what set this horse off in the first place..... unless she lost this stirrup mid gallop...... like I said difficult to know with not having actually been there.
 
I do see your point vicijp, but at the same time the horse was just walking down a road and suddenly did this. I'd really like to think it was a case of discomfort and unbalanced rider and horse taking the pee, but if it was pain you'd think it would happen on more occasions or when more was asked of him, not just walking down the road on his own after hacking for about a hour?? Every description of a typical bolter fits the descriptions I have been given by 2 different riders of this horse.

What I really would like to know is how you can persuade someone to look at other possibilities before they write this horse off as a danger, which at the moment it certainly is, but why??
 
Sounds like it needs an experienced rider to help it overcome it's anxieties.

I know you say the rider is "experienced" but to be truthful, she doesn't sound it to me; and I think she is doing this young horse, more harm than good. Encourage her to sell it before she does any more damage.
 
Youngsters buck, you can't overly blame them for that. Its what happened after the buck that appears to be the problem. the horse appears to have been scared witless.
I have no idea if it is pain, but I would expect that to be checked out. Youngsters do funny things when they get unbalanced, this horse takes off. A rider that is easily going to lose a stirrup and unbalance it more is not the answer.
 
Oh no, I totally agree with you, a young horse with some issues is clearly not suitable as a quiet hack for either its owner or her friend, regardless of her riding experience, a woman in her 60s is likely to be less flexible and therefore less able to cope with a sudden movement than someone younger (total generalisation, but I know I don't bounce like I used to and I'm only in my 20s!)
 
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I do see your point vicijp, but at the same time the horse was just walking down a road and suddenly did this.

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They just sound totally mis-matched. I wonder how established the horse was before being sold to this lady. Pissing off on the road could have been triggered by anything, and a horse that hasn't been given a good education in traffic is likely to do this (I had one like that - never really got her out of it as she didn't have the best of starts).

Regardless of the why's and wherefores - this horse isn't for this person - unless the person is happy to go back to basics and start again.
 
Goodness me there does seem to be a few people responding to this post who have a severe case of tunnel vision! How can it be stated that the rider is too inexperienced, the horse is a bolter, the horse is in pain or any other explanation without seeing the horse and rider. Of course everyone is entitled to there own opinion but to make such bold definite statements regarding this situation without knowing or seeing anyting first hand seems a bit extreme to me. Quite frankly any one of the replys could hold the truth,but the truth is nobody can say for sure.
 
yes, but I hate to see what's going to happen to it. I can't see the person putting in the schooling and would hate it to get passed around, labelled or PTS, or cause an accident, and can't really see anyone buying it
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Goodness me there does seem to be a few people responding to this post who have a severe case of tunnel vision! How can it be stated that the rider is too inexperienced, the horse is a bolter, the horse is in pain or any other explanation without seeing the horse and rider. Of course everyone is entitled to there own opinion but to make such bold definite statements regarding this situation without knowing or seeing anyting first hand seems a bit extreme to me. Quite frankly any one of the replys could hold the truth,but the truth is nobody can say for sure.

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What I have been trying to say.... but you said it so much better!
 
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That's sad, because in most cases it can be so easy to rectify. All you need is a little time and patience, and a friend with an older more sensible horse to act as a babysitter.

End of the day though - the person that ownes it has to decide what to do (after all it's their neck on the line).
 
Barring the slightly heated semantic discussion . . .
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Have I got this straight? The OP is not involved with this horse in any way and has no control over the outcome of the situation, other than possibly being able to offer advice. The OP clearly (without actually saying it) feels the horse is possibly unsuitable for its owner and its situation and is not receiving the training it needs, if indeed it can be made suitable. (It is IMPOSSIBLE to make every horse suitable for every job. And it's not a good use of time or effort. And it's no fun for the horse. Never teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.)

The horse's "dangerous" rep comes from it bringing itself home, at least once without a rider, who came off when the horse bucked/spun (as young horses will often do) BUT the horse is not regularly in the habit of shedding its rider with extreme behaviour. At least once the horse "ran off" in the trot which is possible but does tend to bespeak a lack of rider control rather than insanely dangerous behaviour. He may very well be uncomfortable/annoyed/scared but he doesn't seem to be the sort of "hair trigger" panicked crazy horse some people are referring to.

Is the person who fell off (if it bucks and you come off it's still falling off, although I realise this is a contentious statemen) the horse its trainer? If so, then presumably the owner is paying for her advice.

So we have a big blocky, slightly "common" cob getting into the habit of suiting himself. He also likely has not had the attention paid to his saddle fitting etc. that should happen, especially with a young, changing horse. But he's owned by a person who has not sought other help and seems disinclined to do so.

Frankly, from here (and it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell over the internet) the horse SOUNDS out of control and in the care of people who don't know what to do about it, however successful they may have been in other situations. These people feel the horse is irredemably dangerous. Perhaps simply to cover their own inabilty to deal with the situation - wouldn't be the first time. If the situation continues the horse WILL get a bad reputation and/or develop extremely unpleasant habits, if he hasn't already. If the people who own him won't pay to get him fixed and aren't doing it themselves then yes, the horse probably is doomed. Whatever the cause.

BUT the OP can't actually do anything about it. There's the rub. It's not your area of influence.

Sometimes it really sucks to be a horse.
 
Lottie I think it would be highly unhelpful if everyone just said:

We cant answer because we havent seen the horse and rider.

Any question asked without some kind of pictoral/video evidence is obviously only going to be answered based purely on what the OP says.

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Its quite easy actually; years of experience tells us that this is the case.
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no the person who fell off is not its trainer, just a friend of the owner. Its really frustrating as I know what I would do with my horse, basically everything that everyone has suggested on here, and I hate to see a horse ruined or an accident happen, and don't want to see any person or horse hurt. All I can do is make suggestions on back, teeth and saddle checjs and schooling and hope they listen more than they did when I suggested it yesterday. As I said earlier I even considered offering to school the horse myself, which isn't ideal but may be preferable to it being sold on and things getting worse
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I'm not saying that people shouldn't reply or give opinions on the topic, this is of course the idea of a forum!! What i am saying is that some of the replys are very bold statements considering none of us can know for sure.For example,how can you state that the horse is NOT a bolter,maybe it is,maybe it isn't!!! Or that the rider is NOT experienced enough for this horse,maybe she is,maybe she isn't!!!
 
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Because it was bucking and trotting - bolters just run!

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Or that the rider is NOT experienced enough for this horse

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Because she completely and literally lost her stirrup - experienced riders aren't generally in the habit of having their stirrups disappearing on them and even if they did, by some freak incident, it wouldn't make the slightest difference to their riding ability. Added to this that the woman appears to have had no veterinary checks upon this horse to try to solve the problem. Seems pretty obvious to me really.
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I'm afraid it doesn't seem that obvious to me,maybe you are completly right but how can you be so sure simply by some posts from a 3rd party?
 
I agree Lottie but people are giving their opinions strongly on the basis of the evidence, I personally dont know enough on the subject to comment any more than I have, but I believe the people who ARE commenting are doing so based on all they can go on - the OP's list of events. Of course no-one can know for SURE.
 
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