Borde Hill Novice report - long

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It didn't just rain - it poured
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5am start to be at yard to feed Duke, day starts badly as Jack manages to fall over a small wall and sprain his ankle
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Get to Borde Hill at 9 in torrential rain, can't believe not cancelled and with hindsight we should have withdrawn but hey ho.

Dash round course, Jack limping and halfway round realise I have a wet foot, great one leaking Dubarry
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so I spend rest of day with a plastic bag inside my boot. Course slippery but not too boggy but some really horrid lines especially to 8a and 10b and really bright vegetables at 14
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Dressage not too bad considering horrid slippy ground and Jack going wrong, score of 39.1. Then showjumping - the warm up was awful, told Jack to just jump a couple and kept my eyes closed when he did expecting him to be a heap on the landing side, actually jumped quite well so felt confident to go into the ring (or ice rink as turned out), watched 4 round of which 2 retired and one eliminated, horses just stopping and sliding into jumps. They had the first 2 down, Duke not listening at all, 3 OK and then slid into 4 and jumped from standstill so then decided jack knew best and jumped the oxer and gate beautifully, had a wobble a the brush but catleaped over and had down. Had middle of treble down but as this was the first time had jumped one, were very pleased with him - so 20 faults
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I should have withdrawn before xc but it had stopped raining and a friend had gone clear earlier and said it was fine if you were steady. Had a long hold up as a horse fall at second water, OH said horse went right over and poor girl was soaked, water very deep and muddy
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but both OK. So they set off - jumped first 5 fine, then lost sight and commentator says ' Jack has decided to dismount but no penalties as inbetween jumps so Mum starts running in general direction then hear ' but he's back on and has cleared the Mitsubishi arrowhead with no problems, phew
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(Chicken wire around a bush on track, Duke went one way and Jack the other). They jumped the horrid flower trellis Ok and then got to horrid line at 8a and Duke runs out, Duke and Jack have never had a xc penalty so think this was a big shock for Jack, cleared it no problem on 2nd attempt, then at 10b, narrow corner he does the same thing so Jack takes the alternative but jumps the first part (10a) again
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and is eliminated for jumping same obstacle twice but carries on (don't think he realised) and Duke stopped at the vegetables (not surprised he thinks they are very scary and have no place on jumps
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), completes without further mishap, fab at 2nd water. They looked so muddy and dejected at the end, Jack learnt a lesson the hard way today but at least they came home safe and sound
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Heard commentator say that it was amazing people being placed on scores of 180 - not really considering the awful conditions, wish they had cancelled, I learnt a lesson too, Duke is only a baby and did not feel confident with the more technical striding as he was sliding around and next time would withdraw him. Well done if you got this far - red wine and Dominos pizza reward - well that's what I'm having
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Wow ! Sounds pretty hair raising there today - I withdrew at 2pm hoping that when I called they were going to say it was cancelled - I think someone on here said that horses were falling at that water yesterday !
BE have prooved themselves today to be money grabbing buggers !
Well done for getting round today in one piece ! He sounds like a great youngster to still try for you in those conditions !
 
Thanks, he is absolutely smashing (sounding my age here) he jumped everthing on 2nd time of asking, just not confident enough without the right line. We will do a PN next to boost his confidence
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ah-ha - that explains the results!

Does sound like you got away relatively lightly rather than falling and atleast they're home safe and sound! A friend who was there today retired in the sj and can understand why now!

Where has this weather come from as I'm in sussex and it's missed us completely
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Well done for getting to the end in those conditions, it always gets very slippy there in the wet, hence why I have been put off going there, I retired in the IN in the SJ 2 years ago, slid into 2 fences somehow managed to jump them and then retired, gave Saf a scare and has been funny on slippy ground ever since
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No red wine for me, I'm on the white
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Can only say we didnt know why he was eliminated as only had 3 cumulative stops so deduced that was the reason plus the 20 pens for the alternative.
 
This is exactly what puts me off Saf iy was slippy last yr but I was only doing the Intro with Spider, bit different when they are nov/IN height!

Glad they are home safe & sounds applechaff, doesnt sound too bad a day really.

Couldnt believe the rain/wind
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No - just hard when you have a great xc record, seems a huge setback for Jack. Our SJ is usually fairly rubbish
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Thanks for that
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Spent journey home reading rule book (2008) so no wonder confused! Not much point in the rule book then
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Thanks for that
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Spent journey home reading rule book (2008) so no wonder confused! Not much point in the rule book then
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The rule book should be right...... It was introduced beginning of this year.
Intro/PN is 4 stops, novice and over is 3 stops.
You can definitely re-take part a of a combination if you so wish
 
Ok so to clarify - Novice is 3 stops, either didn't read rule book properly or wasn't clear in index as didn't specify as far as I could see.
 
Have just checked and didn't read it wrong, this is on BE website under Changes May 2008 'Third Cumulative Refusal – Novice & above Elimination' so unlucky for us.
 
Boss is right it changed this year, 3 stops only and not like SJ you can either jump all combination again or the stopped element, hope that makes sense
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In downloads section on BE website, it is listed under May 2008 amendments, we missed it anyway so doesn't matter.
 
We were also at Borde Hill yesterdayin the PN,our horse went extremelly well,the rain had stopped and we found the going totally acceptable.you had to ride according to conditions and if you did everything rode well.I feel that nearly everyone is so used to riding on surfaces,especially for show jumping that they forget how to ride on grass and ride accordingly.In the old days most horses were educated in the hunting field and both horse and riders learnt very quickly to handle all types of terrain and going and well as keeping there balance.All our horses are very precious to us all now,but after watching some really awful riding yesterdayits the riders that need educating on how to ride on different going !!!
Congratulations to the organisers,Roland,Bill and his gallant team for keeping there nerve and not cancelling,i know for a fact that it cost them more to run than cancel and the only loosers are the combinations who made late withdrawals and missed yet another run.
 
Thanks for that really helpful reply, my son rode his young horse extremely well. They have never ridden on that sort or ground before, they were both doing their second Novice and incidentally went clear xc in their first 3 weeks ago. As I pointed in out in my original post they have never had a xc penalty before so I don't think you have any reason to question my son's riding or our horse's ability.
 
Puddles - I am one of the late withdrawers for yesterday and I really dont consider myself or my horse to be a loser !
We are an established combination that are quite happy to jump on either grass or a surface.
I just didnt feel the need to travel my horse there in awful weather conditions, to get throughly soaked, and jump a course that was identical to last year which we jumped clear.
 
Im sorry if i have offended anybody,none was meant and at no time was i questioning your sons ability but in general the riding was awful yesterday,people were not riding to the conditions,which as i said previously was not that bad.
in reply to being a loser that was meant financially and in no other respect,i cant afford to enter HT and then withdraw without a really good reason and yesterday there wasnt one !
 
Applechaff it sounds like your son did a fab job, is a shame about the record but everyone has a blip or two!! I think the team did a fab job to keep running but i completely disagree that those who withdrew are losers!! I am so fed up with people who run, go badly and then complain about the course or blame course builders. If you don't like the course or going etc you are free to withdraw. No one forces anyone to run!! We all need to take responsibility for our riding and decisions. If i run what happens on the course is down to me, no one else. It's much better for people to save their horse for another day if they feel it's the right move. Borde Hill is one of my favourite events and it's such a shame yesterday was so horrible!!! Sunday was a fab day so atleast the whole two days weren't a wash out!!
 
I have to disagree with both of the above posts - the conditions were bad, I think the results speak for themselves! Duke looked as if he had done a full days hunting after the sj, he had to be completely washed down. At no point did I say the xc was unrideable but wasn't right for us, in hindsight I wish we had withdrawn. As to money when I pay an entry fee I expect to compete on a course that is fit for the job, the sj warm-up was IMO dangerous and the sj extremely slippery.
 
But there was no reason for them to cancel - just because it wasn't that pleasant!
Have been resisting posting all weekend as not close enough to know the real weather situation or the ground, but the over riding thing has been people wanting them to cancel because they don't want to get wet! If there had been any risk of it being dangerous to run they would have cancelled I have no doubt. If your horse doesn't like deeper going then you make your choice and withdraw - but you know that when you choose to compete in eventing it doesn't mean other people won't want to run. Some of us would like everywhere to cancel once it got a bit hard but that's not going to happen!!

I don't think Puddle was making a point about anyone on here's riding or their decision to run or not run - just that there was no reason to cancel and that there has been a lot of posting on here that was griping that they hadn't
 
Sorry to hear it was a mixed day/weekend for everyone. And hoping season gets better for us all.

If Borde Hill had cancelled on the second day despite what many have said elsewhere was reasonable going, then I suspect people would be complaining about not getting a run.

Last year organisers were being accused of cancelling too often and doing it to make a profit. So now Borde Hill keeps running and is being accused of money-grabbing!!!
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Running an event is a lot more costly than I fear everyone thinks. Profit margins are tight and if anything profits are re-invested.

A glance at Borde Hill's programmes for 2007 and 2008 shows that the course does change - new arrow combination, new brush corner, plus a couple of new alternatives.

Agree that SJ warm-up could be much better and should have been moved on second day (as was done in 2007 provoking dressage rider complaints!!). Did anyone complain about warm-up at the time and to whom?

Constructive criticism is I feel always welcome if it is done in the right way.
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What is one persons nightmare is another persons pleasure!

Although I hate wet slippery going - my pony relishes it. She would've been quite happy in the conditions at Borde Hill on Monday even though I would not!

I'm glad they ran, as you can't please everyone all of the time and as long as the paramedics can get to every part of the course, I think its safe to run.
 
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