Bought a horse 14.1 2yrs not he’s 13.1

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Hi can you help me please I purchased a youngster in good faith have all the messages and original advert. Inc delivery to my yard. 2500k turns out he’s smaller than seller said a whole hand smaller. She’s now saying I’m lying and he was measured by a vet when he was castrated just before he came to me. I’ve asked her to either take him back as he’s not as described or give me some of the money back as he’s no use to me as a riding horse. She keeps saying she wants a video to prove which ive done She still saying he is 14.1 I’ve told her to come and measure him she is just trying to get away with it hoping I will go away. What can Id do she is a dealer from cob land Norwich.

many advice please ? Appreciated Vanessa
 
Amymay said:
Didn’t you notice how small he was when you went to try him? What measurement is on his betting certificate?
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I think he is 2 years old so possibly bought unseen and not "tried".

You just need to keep going. I would say you give her a deadline to pick him up and refund you or you will take it further.
 
What size did you want the 2 year old to reach at maturity? I hope you visited him in the flesh and didn’t buy unseen...2.5k is quite a lot of money. What breed is he? How big were dam and sire? These are the questions to have asked prior to purchase. I suspect this may turn out to be an expensive lesson. Sorry.
 
Hi yes he was bought unseen in good faith as he was quite far away she said he was 14.1 now to make 15.1/2 hands cob/sports horse, she does not have a very now she said vet did it while he was there castrating. . She also had a good reputation, as a two year old there’s no trying out and he’s lovely but smaller than she said she completely lied there no 1 inch difference there’s a whole hands difference 4.4 inches? And so skinny he looked poorly when he arrived so wormed him now feeding him up bathed him as he was rotten. I just feel she should refund some as he’s not first for purpose
 
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I've done exactly the same. It's a very (very, even by standards) long story but I bought a 2yr old unseen and was told he was 14.1hh. The tiniest little skeleton arrived and he was barely 13hh and looked more like a scabby yearling.

He's a QH and his parents were 14.3/15.1hh iirc so he was never going to be massive anyway.

Getting to my point, despite being malnourished and behind where he should have been in regards to physical maturity because of that, he's made full height. I've not had a stick to him but hes approx 15hh.

He was obviously fed when I got him and given plenty of time to mature, I knew people with horses the same age as him and they looked like totally different animals compared to my "runt".

It's obviously not right if you've purchased a 14.1hh and that's not what has been sent but depending on what height you were expecting him to make dont lose hope just yet.
 
Yes your right I am feeding him up and giving him the attention he deserves he has a big head and big bones hopefully he will grow into them lol but principle is the key why lie to people he’s just not worth that money he looked so good in pics and bigger she was clever with the photos
 
Perhaps the vet said the height he thought the pony would make. Stick to your guns and demand he's taken back or you will take it further...and don't buy anything else without going to see it and take everything in an advert with a large pinch of salt.
 
If you can show him with a measuring stick correctly on him at 13.1hh then she has no legal option but to take him back. Stick to your guns and tell her that unless he's collected livery charges start in a week's time. Send her a recorded delivery letter stating that.

ETA I have realised that you want to keep him. If you do, I don't think you have a right to any money back, it's impossible to prove that a 13.1 isn't worth as much as a 14.1
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I'm sure you already know but be careful not to feed him up too much.

I had my vet on the yard, to see my other horse, the day skinny minnie arrived so he got seen then as I was slightly worried about "re feeding syndrome" he was so underweight and in awful condition.

We had plenty of grass and he got adlib hay when in. He was so poor that I scrapped my original plan of fibre feeds with vit/mun supp and fed a youngstock feed to get more calories I to him slowly and sensibly. Within 3mths i went back to the fibre plan as he had picked up nicely and he was a totally different looking horse 6mths later.

I "knew" the stud, Evan's Quarter Horses, that I got mine from having been in contact with them for over 10yrs. I had previously left a deposit on a filly, that I was planning to view, but due to a change of yards I had to back out. When I reserved this horse it seemed poi tless travelling all the way to wales, and the cost involved, to look at a youngster in a field. At this point the stud had an excellent reputation and lots of previous buyers contacted me to say how happy they were with their horses. After mine arrived the same people messaged asking if he had been in poor condition and admitted that the place was a dive, the horses were in poor condition and it should be shut down (!!). Apparently lots of poor horses but people have said mine was the poorest they had seen leave there (some claim to fame!). If I had viewed I'd probably have bought 2 more just to save them ? I'm fairly sure that place has stopped breeding now so small mercies
 
Yes I will be careful with his feeding just yearling feed with vits minerals etc hay and plenty of grass, he’s so lovely I’d hate to send him back. But he’s too small for me.
I am sorry to hear your story though, I’m the same I would have bought them all just to get them away from these people.
I will keep trying to get some money back just to make her think about doing it to anyone else hopefully. ESP as she’s a dealer. All be it a very glamerous one ?
 
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I know it's not the point but he could still make a decent height my Arab was about that big at 2 his 15h fully grown.

Sounds like his landed on feet with you I can imagine you don't really want to send him back because he was so poor. Such a shame
 
You may be surprised at his height. My two mares were obviously not aware of the label on the box and the were both supposed to be 15 HH at maturity, one is a good 15.3 and the other 16.1, do glad I got the wrong boxes now lol x
 
You can pretty accurately estimate the mature height of a two year old by doing the string test, that will at least give you an idea if he will reach your desired size. (Search on here to find out how to do it).
 
I bought a horse that the seller said was 15 hands she turned out to be 16 .1 hands . Unfortunately I am very short so I look stupid on a horse that big .
 
No direct experience with this dealer but I am in the local area and tbh I'm not surprised. Not got the best reputation. Don't think you'll get a partial refund, best option is to try and return but I would imagine the money has already been spent.
 
I know this thread is old, however i know this lady is still selling many horses so it could be good to bring it up to try and warn people of her. I bought a cob off of this lady (is alwahs changing her name which says a lot in itself really...). Advertised as a 14.2hh allrounder cob for £2995. Very sweet mare dont get me wrong, however turned out to be £13.3hh when we measured and was practically unbroken. We were in touch with the previous owner who never broke her to ride and had to give her (and another horse) to this dealer through unfortunate circumstances. She had given this dealer many items to give to the new owner (things like headcollars etc) of which we got none. This dealer kept everything to use for herself. She had clearly made this horse walk trot and canter for the adverts. She was also 100kg overweight, and physically couldnt canter, so i hate to think how they did it. We ended up keeping the pony, and she turned out to be an extremely sweet pony, just needed time and love. However, the dealer also specified that she would not take the pony back if we shaved her legs, even after we told her she had mites and was extremely uncomfortable. We decided we werent sending her back to thay place and persevered but the buying experience was awful. The horses there has no grass and not enough space for all of the horses in the field. The stables were full of poo and none of the horses looked like they had been groomed since they arrived. Never buy from this lady, she will no doubt rip you off (we even bought this horse seen - i know in hinds sight we shouldnt have but it was our first time buying and we fell for the "i have someone ready to buy her" trick) but please never buy from this lady, one day it could end in something bad happening to someone or their horse
 
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Just a thought, purchasers may find things just a little easier if they view prior to purchasing.
Height is easily checked when viewing.
Mites, cpl etc, again easily checked.
Lameness, greenness and general temperament also can be checked out when viewing.
Conformation defects easily seen when viewing.

Please, view before purchasing and when you do, take someone who can advise you.
Finally, you do not have to buy the animal shown to you.
 
HighlandCows+Chesnuts said:
We decided we werent sending her back to thay place and persevered but the buying experience was awful. The horses there has no grass and not enough space for all of the horses in the field. The stables were full of poo and none of the horses looked like they had been groomed since they arrived. Never buy from this lady, she will no doubt rip you off (we even bought this horse seen - i know in hinds sight we shouldnt have but it was our first time buying and we fell for the "i have someone ready to buy her" trick) but please never buy from this lady, one day it could end in something bad happening to someone or their horse
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Why did you buy from a yard that was so clearly awful?
 
Absolutely :) this was in 2019, and we did go and view her. The seller however rushed us a lot and when we asked to school her she made am excuse and said that she had another horse in her arena. We have learnt massively from this and would always ask more questions etc now, however i was just warning people who perhaps were also naive first time buyers. I also know a lady who went to view a horse last week from this lady (Cobland or Jess Bella as i believe she is now known as) who also said how the horse was showing a lot of bone and looked very skinny and the staff were quite rude 😊
 
Also, I would add, lots of people are terrible at estimating heights. Saus and Cob were both said to be 14’2hh, and both came from really genuine owners. When I measured them, it turned out Saus was 14hh, and Cob was 13’3hh, maybe 14hh on her tippy toes. Luckily, it’s not an issue as I’m not doing any harm and I feel comfortable.
 
Amymay Again said:
Why did you buy from a yard that was so clearly awful?
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We were very naive first time buyers, and were very rushed into buying. Looking back now we would never do it again but it also wasnt all my decision. The pony was bought with multiple people, I was just the one who had to deal with the consequences, and the point of the comment was to warn people about this dodgy dealer before they found themselves potentially in a similar situation😊
 
HaplessHorse said:
Also, I would add, lots of people are terrible at estimating heights. Saus and Cob were both said to be 14’2hh, and both came from really genuine owners. When I measured them, it turned out Saus was 14hh, and Cob was 13’3hh, maybe 14hh on her tippy toes. Luckily, it’s not an issue as I’m not doing any harm and I feel comfortable.
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Thats so lovely😊 same with us - luckily the pony was still an alright height but the point was that she was still missold
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
Just a thought, purchasers may find things just a little easier if they view prior to purchasing.
Height is easily checked when viewing.
Mites, cpl etc, again easily checked.
Lameness, greenness and general temperament also can be checked out when viewing.
Conformation defects easily seen when viewing.

Please, view before purchasing and when you do, take someone who can advise you.
Finally, you do not have to buy the animal shown to you.
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This culture of buying horses unseen is - and I'm sorry because this will probably offend a few folks - absolutely nuts.
You can't verify anything on the advert until it arrives and it's completely unnecessary upheaval for the animal if it's delivered and turns out to be unsuitable. Plus you may have a fight on your hands to send back anyway; I know technically under distance selling regs buyer has more rights but how often do stories come up on dodgy dealer pages of sellers refusing to take misdescribed/unsuitable animals back?
 
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