Bought TB Gelding, starting to rear etc when mounting?

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Hi Everyone,
I recently bought a 14 yr old tb geldning, he has been perfect; very well mannered on the ground (couldn't get much better) and also great while riding. He was out of work for a year when I bought him and we are working slowly to bring him back in. However he has started to rear or buck when being mounted but as soon as your up and walking he is 100%. I am currently waiting for his saddle fitter to get back to me with his conclusions, I have had his back done also and all seems fine. Some are saying its kissing spine; however he would have surely been sore from the start? also he would not just ride out of it?
We also were told by the vet to give him pain relief for 3 days and on the third day to ride (he was perfect to mount etc whilst on pain killer) so the vet has ruled out behavioural. Next step is an x-ray just looking some advice or opinions.
I have just purchased a girth sleeve, riser and this new saddle which should be here within the next week.


Has the saddle actually been professionally fitted to him?
No, I had a saddle fitter out when I first bought him; he gave me a temporary saddle until he developed more muscle, topline and put on more weight. However, this was around 3 months ago and he is due to come Saturday. However, people at the yard are saying this is probably not the problem; in my opinion I do feel it may be because the problem has only started in the last two weeks (he has been in consistent work but only the last 3/4 works can you see significant weight gain, muscle development etc). As I have said all fingers crossed that it is just the saddle.

Are you mounting from the ground, or a mounting block? Getting a leg up or mounting block. It is literally only until he walks forward 2/3 steps and then he rides perfectly. He is currently out and I will not be riding again until I solve the problem; in the beginning we thought it was behavioural but since I realised it was not he has not been ridden.

Has the horse raced/how long had he been a leisure horse? Why was he out of work for a year? Yes he was flat raced and point to point raced for 7 years. Since that he was hunted and showjumped up until last year. A local man purchased him with the hopes his daughter would take up riding again, however she has not. This is why he was in a field for the year, he held out hopes that she would take it up but after a year he decided it was unfair on him to be left standing in a field.

What do you mean by you’ve had his back done? I have had a horse chiropractor out and physio out to check his back.

Was it a private sale? Yes, all previous owners (the raceyard, man that hunted and showjumped, and the last owner) have all been so helpful; he has never had this problem before and they were able to provide evidence through vet checks, previous x-rays (he was x-rayed before the second home as the man previously had problems with other horses kissing spine and wanted to rule it out)

Was he vetted?
Yes he was vetted.

Vet input:
Vet is coming on Friday to assess him, he does not feel it is kissing spine as he said this would more than likely have been a problem from the get go and that he would not be riding out of it (as stated once you mount and do about two/3 steps he behaves and moves brilliantly)

Other Suspicions: I am lucky to be at a yard with amazing and experienced people, some suspect kissing spine (minority but still) others ulcers (possible due to his lifestyle change) others feel just muscle pain due to being in work again (again very light work to build him up consisting of just flatwork and hacking) and lastly the majority do feel it is the saddle. I know that many will say I should just wait for the vet prognosis but my nerves are away with me, just looking for other advice and opinions until the vet gets out.




Any help/advice/opinions would be great
 

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Similar to Robin when his issues started. He was fine to get on but the first 3 steps he sort of dipped a bit then for a few more strides he rushed. He would then be fine. I got saddle checked, that showed up he was very slightly lame. He had dumped me a couple of times. Long story short, his hocks were bothering him, they were treated, he was still off and we discovered gastric ulcers.
 

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My normal round of checks would be to get back, teeth and saddle checked.

If problem persisted, I would look at getting a different type of back person out. I’ve had horses that the physio couldn’t find much wrong with, and the mctimoney did, and visa versa.

if still having issues I’d then go to the vet.
 

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My normal round of checks would be to get back, teeth and saddle checked.

If problem persisted, I would look at getting a different type of back person out. I’ve had horses that the physio couldn’t find much wrong with, and the mctimoney did, and visa versa.

if still having issues I’d then go to the vet.
You need to do that the other way round - Physio needs vet to see horse first
 

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Regarding kissing spine problems, in my limited experience they don't always show up straight away. They may not become apparent until the horse has been in "proper work", i.e. more than a once a week hack, for a few weeks or a month. That's all I can add that might be useful though!
 

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update:

just out at barn and it’s been discovered he was windsucking today; they are now suspecting ulcers.

again vet comes Friday
 

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3 things -

1. is he girthy? is it a reaction to girth sores from coming back into work? are you trying to ride in a saddle with a short girth which could be causing pressure points?

2. are you a suitable weight for the horse? (sorry - sensitive question, and no need to answer in public, but something to think about)

3. are you accidently grabbing hold of him when you get on? most TBs not used to standing still for mounting, and in the short term better to allow them to quietly walk forwards rather than pull them up, until you've taken some of the stress out of the situation.
 

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Hi Rachel,

Yeah he is, I put it up now one hole at a time (2/3 mins in between) as he pushes out when tacking so this has helped and also before I ride he gets about 5 mins in a walker as by then I can put the girth up another 2 holes

I am, and only 5ft 1 aswell and he is 16.1 ! Yes, at the beginning I was but now I am getting leg ups mostly as it seems to help alot. They do now really think it is ulcers rather than kissing spine, hoping the vet can give me some definite answers.
 

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Ah! I didn’t see them. Maybe best to have 1 thread rather than just copying your replies.

Hi, to be honest I was just panicking and wanting answers, in my attempt to get answers quicker I didn’t know which option to put it under, again, sorry I’ve posted it more than once but I really have just been in a fret and wanted other people’s opinions or experience.
 

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It could be any of the things you mention. I'm not sure why you would be getting the vet out before the saddler though especially as you say he had a temporary saddle and has sinced changed shape. Surely the most likely scenario here is that the saddle is now uncomfortable, so I would sort that first and see what happens. If you still have problems then by all means get the vet to take a look but it seems premature before you have had the saddle sorted.
 

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What’s with the shocked face? It’s a very simple and easy way to get extra data on what the issue might be. If the horse doesn’t do it when you mount bareback then that’s a very clear sign that it could be a saddle pinching or tipping when a person mounts. It’s also easy to slide off of the horse acts up once you are used to doing it.
 

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I bought an ex Pointer, fine to ride in his racing saddle, bucked me off in his GP and I never got on him again, it was kissing spines. He's now back with the original seller and apparently OK with his racing saddle.
 

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Sounds like he has a medical issues Tb are prone to lameness issues . it’s sounds more like your hoping he doesn’t have kissing spine . No vet would say that without running tests or without seeing the horse.
 

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What’s with the shocked face? It’s a very simple and easy way to get extra data on what the issue might be. If the horse doesn’t do it when you mount bareback then that’s a very clear sign that it could be a saddle pinching or tipping when a person mounts. It’s also easy to slide off of the horse acts up once you are used to doing it.

THIS bit!
 
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