BRC- Winter dressage teams eligibility?!

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Hoping some BRC gurus on here can help me!

I've been asked to make up an "easy read" guide for eligibility of horses/riders for the winter dressage and winter novice SJ qualifiers for my RC.

Been reading the BRC rule book and it's pretty clear for SJ but not so clear for dressage! Do they count the winter dressage team competition as "novice dressage" in appendices 2/3 when looking at horse/rider eligibility? (Appendix 2- horse/pony eligibility and Appendix 3- rider eligibility)

This is what I have- anyone agree/disagree?!

Winter novice SJ;

- Riders have no restrictions, all riders eligible.
- Horses may be currently registered with BE but must not have been placed in the first six in any BE Pre-Novice (BE100) competition and have no BE points.
- Horses must have no BSJA notional winnings (Other than notional prize money gained in 70cm and 80 cm classes held at BSJA Intro shows.)

Winter dressage teams;

- Riders with BHSII (within the last 10 years)/ FBHS BHSI qualifications are ineligible to compete in the novice dressage competion.
- Horses must have no BD points.

Many thanks!
 
You really need Zebedee as she will have the definitive answer!

For the winters last year, we had teams of 4 with two riders doing a Prelim standard test (0 BD points allowed for horses/ponies) and two riders doing a BD Novice test (up to 124 BD points allowed for horses/ponies). (But that was for Juniors, so Seniors may be different.)
 
Only thing I would add to the Nov SJ is that the combination may not have competed in Intermediate or Open in the same year. Think thats it though.

Take it your not doing the SJ team ;)
 
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Thanks guys! Have amended DR to 0 pts for prelim, max 124pts for Novice and added in int/open in last year restriction for SJ. :)

saz- was tempted to loan H out to a RC pal but was worried that if team qualified, it may clash with early season BE/XC stuff next year! :o Love how you didn't even ask if we were pitching for DR team...! :p
 
RC Winter Team Dressage & RC Novice Team Dressage are different comps, with the Novice Team Dressage being a 'Summer Season' competition only available to seniors.
There are no rider restrictions in the Winter Dressage, but there are in the Novice Dressage.

The championships for both the Winter Dressage & the Novice Indoor SJ are at Hartpury on the 2nd & 3rd April 2011, if that helps anyone with their forward planning !
 
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Ditto the bit about up to 124 points for those doing Novice tests. There are a few in our dressage teams that have points.

Can't believe they're not having a warm-up test for the Area 1 winter dressage. 3 hr drive for a 4 min test!
 
saz5083 said:
Only thing I would add to the Nov SJ is that the combination may not have competed in Intermediate or Open in the same year. Think thats it though.

Take it your not doing the SJ team ;)
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Same year as in the current BRC competition year, so since 1st April 2010.
 
though the musics never seem to fit in anywhere with the 'levels' thing either as you can't do prelim, was advised they were a completely separate comp so you could do novice at the musics then prelim in the summer.

I do think the same horse and rider restrictions should apply (if they don't) to those doing a prelim test at the winter champs to enable a level playing field, particularly as area do provide rosettes for individual placings even though it is a team competition
 
Music is considered a 'different discipline' in order to allow as many people as possible who want to give it a go to do so. BRC also allow the DTM 0-124 points competitors to compete in the Elementary DTM, so another example of levels crossing over.
 
I would have to say thatwe've had the same problems regarding the Winter dressage and found the eligibility rules rather hard to fathom from the rulebook. I spent half an hour trying to work it out last weekend and found that the difference between 'winter dressage', 'novice dressage' and 'Novice dressage' wasn't exactly clear. Add to that the use of the word 'novice' to refer to the BD test being used.... :mad:

I'm trying to forgive our team manager for telling me that I wasn't allowed to get any points ahead of the qualifier (I'm doing the novice test) when in fact I could have had 124!!!!! It has restricted our BD outings thus far to Prelim when I wanted to be cracking on with Nov. I'm still a little grumpy about it, especially after she gave me a b*llocking for selfishly joining BD ahead of our qualifier assuming that I'd end up ineligible and spoil all her teams plans! :rolleyes:
 
I'm going to be doing this teams thing at our qualifier in January and was all confused by this thread! But i know nothing about riding club stuff so will just do as i'm told - which is the Novice test apparently :) Was mildly worried about the points thing but as i doubt i'll increas our points total by 110 between now and January we should be fine :).

Is it just points that restrict you? There is no restriction on where they are gained ie at elementary??

Should be fun :)
 
saz5083 said:
Only thing I would add to the Nov SJ is that the combination may not have competed in Intermediate or Open in the same year. Think thats it though.

Take it your not doing the SJ team ;)
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Is that restricted to if you have competed BRC Intermediate or Open sj within the year you can't do the Nov Winter SJ, or does it also mean that if you've done BRC Intermediate or Open horse trials you can't do the Novice Winter SJ?
 
I thought it was each discipline

so yes, from april to april... dependent on the dates of the finals not the area qualifiers (mostly only an issue with hunter trials I think).. though not sure if that makes you right on the winter showjumping as is start of april :confused: lol I always get confused the more I read the rulebook anyway!
 
Noodlejaffa said:
Is that restricted to if you have competed BRC Intermediate or Open sj within the year you can't do the Nov Winter SJ, or does it also mean that if you've done BRC Intermediate or Open horse trials you can't do the Novice Winter SJ?
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My understanding is that if you have done Inter or Open SJ within the year you cant do novice SJ, dont think horse trials count.
 
FigJam: Didnt think it was worth asking about the dressage ;) Im not doing either. Dont fancy trawling to Glasgow for a dressage test (did it last year as a last minute sub - not with J) and we're not eligible for the SJ, so I will be along on the ground for aupport (and a gossip:D) only.
 
Also remember that eligibility is at close of preliminary entry (14 days prior to the area qualifer) so any points/winnings gained after that don't count !
So to recap -
Novice Dressage is in the summmer & uses a prelim test - same test for all four riders.
Open Dressage is in the summer & uses 3 novice tests & an elementary
Winter Dressage is in the Winter (!) & uses a prelim test (2 riders) & a novice test (2 riders)
Now who's confused............?? !!!!!!
 
Thank you all, glad it wasn't just me being confuddled!

Gamebird- I agree, the crossover of "novice" RC level and "novice" BD level in the competition/rules is really confusing.

Saz- I'm on hol last two weeks of Nov so won't be there for cheerleading/gossiping sadly. :(
 
Interesting how the novice SJ restrictions are out of kilter with CE and BS - BE100 is way more advanced than BS 70cms and 80cms and I'd have thought the comparator would have been BE100 and BS Discovery.

Figjam - does your RC have many junior members and what age does senior start? Our new grey is really nice on the flat and I thought about re-joining son. We only let his membership lapse a couple of years ago as there were only two of them at every junior SJ and we felt it was no longer fair for him to take part. Grey might enjoy a party out to some flatwork sessions, too.
 
measles said:
Interesting how the novice SJ restrictions are out of kilter with CE and BS - BE100 is way more advanced than BS 70cms and 80cms and I'd have thought the comparator would have been BE100 and BS Discovery.
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BRC Novice SJ is 85cms. BRC Intermediate SJ is 1m, which does equate to BE100 / BS Discovery.

The restriction on BRC novice eligibility for horses is not have having any BS winnings (although there is provision for downgrading) other than the 'notionsl £1's' awarded in BS 70/80cm starter classes. These are excepted as those riders taking part in the BS 70/80cm classes are likely to be those who also want to do BRC novice.
 
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yup but for the showjumping if you have a horse that events its no BE points or placed first 6 at BE100, which is a bit out of kilter with getting winnings at British novice. ie you can't be competing and being placed at british novice but you could be doing intro BE... and still do the novice sj
 
ester said:
yup but for the showjumping if you have a horse that events its no BE points or placed first 6 at BE100, which is a bit out of kilter with getting winnings at British novice. ie you can't be competing and being placed at british novice but you could be doing intro BE... and still do the novice sj
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I had a horse doing BE Int-Nov/CIC* that would still have been eligible. Bizarre!
 
Gamebird said:
I had a horse doing BE Int-Nov/CIC* that would still have been eligible. Bizarre!
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I think the assumption was that any horse competitng at the higher levels would have had (at some point ) a top six PN/BE100 placing. It's a good point though - another loophole to close !!

Cross discipline restrictions are always tricky. A couple of years ago a former olympic gold medal eventer (horse not rider) was second in the BRC 0 points Novice DTM Championships. Shed loads of BE points. No dressage points. Go figure !
 
its difficult because I had a member who acquired an aged ex eventer schoolmaster, she wasn't able to do any of the RC jumping with him (opens were too big for her) but could do as much prelim dressage as she liked.
 
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