Breast Bar/Breech Bar in 3.5t hire box

Lisa2526

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Hi all. I recently hired a 3.5t to take my daughters 15.3, 860kg monster cob out for a pleasure ride. Not 1 mile from the livery yard, this (usually excellent traveller) beastie of a boy reared up and got his legs over the breast bar. Sadly, he was completely stuck there and inflicing injuries on himself and me as he struggled. I was shocked to find that there was no quick release pin as expected, and that the bar was actually one of the 'collapsible' bars and was fiited incorrectly. The collapsible ones are fitted with a bracketd and bolts tighten it, but it is able to drop out of the bracket if enough weight is applied. Due to the incorrect fitting, I would need to left the bar to get it off, even if they had supplied the tools to do this with (which they didn't) I could never lift it off with his weight on it. He was stuck there for around 10 to 15 minutes, freaking out and blood coming from behind his legs and from a cut above his eye. He was in severe pain and exhausted from trying to escape and he gave up completely. I will never get the image of his head dangling over the bar with his legs, I thought he was dying. He was dribbling uncontrollably and I now believe he was suffocating with his head in that position. Incredibly, due to help from members of the public, I was able to free him but sustained a kick to my tummy in the process which made me pass out. We both survived the ordeal.

On returning the box that evening, I explained the situation and the owner explained that they were all collapsible bars so could'nt understand how that had happened and said she would get in touch with the fitter/manufacturer. The next day they sent me an email saying, "sorry your horse didn't travel well, as a gesture of good will we will waive the cost of repairs, however the box has been bummped on the left bumper and we will charge the repair to your card". I was livid. The box had absolutely definitely not been bumped, and they sent a pic that I would never be able to detirmine if it was of the box I loaned or not! I know that I didn;t damage it. Our yard is flat with no curbs and it was driven about 4 miles to a gravel parking area, no curbs, no boulders etc. I was also followed in convoy by another person who vouched for me that I had not had any bumps or scrapes. I very much think they are pinning the blame on me for something I didn't do, in order to recoup the cost of the damaged breast bar. They have now charged an additional 140 to my card and I cannot afford this. Do any of you know how I can challenge this, if thee BHS helps with legal advice etc (I'm a gold member). Any advice on what to do next and how to challenge this much appreciated.
 

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Oh my goodness, what a horrific thing to happen! I'm glad both you and the horse are relatively ok!!

Yes that's something your gold membership will cover, legal advice. Give them a call...I hope you are both OK, how awful ?
 

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Oh my goodness, what a horrific thing to happen! I'm glad both you and the horse are relatively ok!!

Yes that's something your gold membership will cover, legal advice. Give them a call...I hope you are both OK, how awful ?
Thank you so much. We are ok physically. His wounds are healing well and he's had four days of bute but no riding until the skin is healed or his girth will rub. My tummy is better now. But mentally, really hard and traumatic. Not sure how he'll travel now. Its going to take time, reassurance and patience. Will contact bhs tomorrow. Thank you x
 

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I'm not sure where in the UK you are but it might be worth getting some help/advice on how to go about loading next time with a horsemanship person, I've recently had some help with our pony who wouldn't load. They can be really useful in preparing for the loading session as well as working out what strategies you can use...ive used them before with various horses and they always seem to help. If you're in the Midlands area I know a fab lady x
 

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Would definitely speak to BHS for advice as if they've supplied you a lorry for hire with a defective / incorrectly installed breastbar that was not able to be collapsed as it was designed to do in an emergency (& that they did not supply you with the tools needed to do this with even if it had been functioning correctly) then I'd be seeing if I had a case to pursue them for vets fees (plus anything you yourself may be entitled to for the injuries you sustained) as obviously the horse would have been less injured & you yourself may not have been injured if you'd been able to release the breastbar. It does seem slightly foolish of them to try & pursue you for a minor bump they've found given what's occurred & I'd be inclined to challenge them on that as well.

As for next time see if you can find a stallion box to hire (that also has no wheel arches in the area the horses stand) as nothing to climb on then.
 

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Would definitely speak to BHS for advice as if they've supplied you a lorry for hire with a defective / incorrectly installed breastbar that was not able to be collapsed as it was designed to do in an emergency (& that they did not supply you with the tools needed to do this with even if it had been functioning correctly) then I'd be seeing if I had a case to pursue them for vets fees (plus anything you yourself may be entitled to for the injuries you sustained) as obviously the horse would have been less injured & you yourself may not have been injured if you'd been able to release the breastbar. It does seem slightly foolish of them to try & pursue you for a minor bump they've found given what's occurred & I'd be inclined to challenge them on that as well.

As for next time see if you can find a stallion box to hire (that also has no wheel arches in the area the horses stand) as nothing to climb on then.


I hope, op, that you got the contact info of these brave members of the public who helped you, and also that you took photographs of the state of your horse and of the box at the time and afterwards.
I would be taking legal advice to recover vets' fees and compensation for the trauma that could well lead to having a horse that now associates being loaded on transport with a bad experience...

Threaten the rental company with everything your legal counsel can suggest. The least you can get is for the repair to the left bumper to be waived.
 
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So many accidents with these breast bars in 3.5 ton lorries. To anyone else try to buy/hire a stallion box that has no breast bar. The hores travel fine and it is so much safer.
 

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What a terrible experience.
Firstly I would contact the BHS legal helpline. With their assistance I would draft a letter to the horsebox hire company outlining:
The pain and suffering experienced by the horse.
The pain and suffering experienced by you.
Any long-term consequences you and your daughter’s horse might be subject to.
The breast bar was not fitted correctly and therefore malfunctioned.
The hirer’s responsibility to ensure the box was fit for purpose and safe. (Vet fees, counselling, legal costs, etc.)
Your absolute rebuttal to their assertion you bumped the box and their inadequate evidence. Invite them to prove it categorically.
Demanding the return of your money.
 
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