"Brecon market sale 'will protect Welsh mountain ponies'"

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I don't get it.

BBC News item:

Up to 100 Welsh mountain ponies will go for sale at market in what organisers say will help strengthen the breed and manage numbers in mid and south Wales.

The foals will be auctioned at Brecon, Powys, later this month, with the Hill Pony Improvement Societies of Wales encouraging people to buy them.

Officials said it would protect the breed and weed out poorer quality animals.
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That's not really an incentive for anyone but the meat man (and if there's a surplus and they have to be slaughtered, well, so be it :( ) Why don't they bring the stallions in or geld most of them? That's another way of improving breed quality.

Then:

Colin Thomas, secretary of the Hill Pony Improvement Societies of Wales, said: "The ponies are a rare breed and this sale, which will be the first of its type in Wales, will protect the breed and weed out inferior ponies and consolidate the numbers.

"They make ideal children's ponies and have excellent temperaments, but those not sold could be slaughtered.
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Since when did Welshies become a rare breed :confused:
 
They are "hill ponies" which apparently are a rare breed, although once they leave the mountains they loose rare breed status i believe. Also you dont mention the fact that none of the foals will be passported or microchiped, this upto the BUYER to sort before you leave the sale (unless your the meatman, they dont have to get them done!). Why on earth anyone would buy one is beyond me, i went to Llanybydder last week & there were some nice A's going through the ring for 10 or 12 guineas, already passported, microchipped & already handled. Madness! Poor things, i can only really see one fate for them.
 
navaho said:
They are "hill ponies" which apparently are a rare breed, although once they leave the mountains they loose rare breed status i believe. Also you dont mention the fact that none of the foals will be passported or microchiped, this upto the BUYER to sort before you leave the sale (unless your the meatman, they dont have to get them done!). Why on earth anyone would buy one is beyond me, i went to Llanybydder last week & there were some nice A's going through the ring for 10 or 12 guineas, already passported, microchipped & already handled. Madness! Poor things, i can only really see one fate for them.
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I'm guessing that micro-chipping and passporting will cost more than the "low quality" "rare breed" Welshie itself?
 
Well i think a passport with WPCS is £25...no idea about microchipping. Apparently the stallion they run out on the mountain is a premium stallion, no ideas about the mares though....could be rough as...but might be very nice. Think its going to be a bit of a lottery as to what you get.
 
I was under the impression that even the meat mand had to microchip and passport. They do at the dartmoor sales. Normally pet plan or someone similar are there on the day passporting and chipping and yes that normally costs more than the ponies.
 
There is a sale of exactly the same stuff this saturday..starts at 10am..minimum of 180 booked in so far.... :(

sadly, 30% of these ponies are of poor quality and will certainly end up with the "meat-man"..

instead of advertising this type of sale as a "good thing" and "go and buy one" the report should tell it as it is..a sad, dire sale and a miserable time in the short lives of these overbred little foals...

these "hill-farmers" should be taxed HEAVILY on what they breed..until the numbers are vastly reduced..i really cannot see why they bother..the foals need to chipped/passported before sold..at a cost of, say, a subsidised £15-20...and the foals achieved £3/4/5 each...madness, total madness

PLEASE...if anyone is thinking of going, remember, these little foals are wild, totally unhandled, not wormed, so will need special care when taken home. be prepared, as some can and do die within days of being bought.

it is a sad situation..and it wont get any better until the horse is recognised at markets as Agricultural..legislation NEEDS to change, and change quickly..and i'll bet my last £1 that on saturday..and the 23rd there will be NO AHO/TS/RSPCA/VET in attendence :mad: :mad:
 
bexwarren24 said:
I was under the impression that even the meat mand had to microchip and passport. They do at the dartmoor sales. Normally pet plan or someone similar are there on the day passporting and chipping and yes that normally costs more than the ponies.
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Nope, apparently they dont according to this:

Foals do not require a Passport or microchip to move from the derogation area on
the approved hills to the sale premises. The movement is subject to the rules set
out in the Management Arrangements – completion of a ‘Registration Application
Form’ linked to an affixed unique rump sticker
Any foal sold for breeding or leaving the market premises for any other reason
apart from going for slaughter, will have to be micro chipped on the sale premises
and a copy of the registration application form will need to accompany the foal on
the movement to the destination home or holding only.
 
nativeponies said:
these "hill-farmers" should be taxed HEAVILY on what they breed..until the numbers are vastly reduced..i really cannot see why they bother..the foals need to chipped/passported before sold..at a cost of, say, a subsidised £15-20...and the foals achieved £3/4/5 each...madness, total madness
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Sadly all the time these have rare breed status they wont get taxed or anything.
 
ah, they're on a derrogation..which means whoever buys, must passport and chip by a qualified vet within 30 days...

sadly, the majority will be slaughtered by then
:(
 
If they didnt breed inferior ponies, they woudlnt have this problem in the first place :rolleyes:
If they`re in the normal brecon market then they tend not to have Rspca inspectors etc there, well there havent when I`ve been.....Been so tempted to give the bullies in the ring a taste of their own medicine many of times :D
 
I am going up on saturday in the hope of buying a section D colt....is it just these hill ponies that are going through on saturday then?? x
 
I was at a big horse rescue doing some research in February and they were just preparing to set off and pick up 30+ neglected hill ponies from one yard.

I'm sure there are responsible breeders, and it's good that there's a quality stallion on the hills, but that seems to be the only quality control in operation, and as NativePonies points out, no one invests any time in the poor little buggers before they're sold.
 
if they just caught them up and haltered them, led them into the ring they would sell for 40/50..its proven to be so at Beaulieu Road NF sales..the haltered ones average 90gns...the unhaltered ones around 15gns..
 
nativeponies said:
ah, they're on a derrogation..which means whoever buys, must passport and chip by a qualified vet within 30 days...

sadly, the majority will be slaughtered by then
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Sadly your right, poor buggers!!

Teds mum, no this is a different sale, this one is at the end of the month & solely for these ponies, if you've no joy getting your D on Saturday, there is the foal sale at Llanybydder at the end of this month, some lovely ones are usually entered, though its a very long day!

Ayla, they aren't necessarily inferior ponies, they are hill ponies, basically just section A's with rare breed status, you've just as much chance of getting a nice one as you have of getting a rubbish one, the only downside as NP has said is they wont have been handled or wormed.
 
Ted's mum said:
I am going up on saturday in the hope of buying a section D colt....is it just these hill ponies that are going through on saturday then?? x
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Is it the Llanafan and cwmowen sales in brecon Market?

Did you go to Llanybydder last week? My friend got a lovely Sec d filly with Menai bloodlines for a silly silly price of £100 :eek: Apparently all sec d youngsters were going for silly prices
 
nativeponies said:
if they just caught them up and haltered them, led them into the ring they would sell for 40/50..its proven to be so at Beaulieu Road NF sales..the haltered ones average 90gns...the unhaltered ones around 15gns..
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Hate to disagree on this one, i watched some lovely ponies go through Llanybydder last Thursday, haltered & turned out perfectly....12guineas, it wasn't just the A's making no money though, its a sad time indeed for selling anything, coloureds that were making well over £1000 a short time ago were selling for a couple of hundred. I'm going to the foal sale at the end of this month & i dread to think what the prices with be like then, as the reality of winter will have sunk in by then, ive never seen the mart so quiet with buyers, yet so busy with sellers. I'm determined not to bring anything home this year...
 
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Ayla84 said:
Is it the Llanafan and cwmowen sales in brecon Market?

Did you go to Llanybydder last week? My friend got a lovely Sec d filly with Menai bloodlines for a silly silly price of £100 :eek: Apparently all sec d youngsters were going for silly prices
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that sounds interesting...
 
Worth a trip Ted's mum, Ayla is right, the prices were stupid & some lovely D's did go through. You can download the sales catalogue from the Evan Bros website the day before the sale, so you can see whats entered & know whether its worth making the trip.
 
Ted's mum said:
will I get a nice sec d colt cheap at brecon on sat then? by cheap I mean under 120 pound?
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More than likely!!! Last time i went Youngsters were going for pittance!!! I fancied sec d colt (2 yr old) really really nice boy, he went for a bout £80.....
be careful though because of the strangles thats pretty rife around the enath/swansea area now x
 
nativeponies said:
There is a sale of exactly the same stuff this saturday..starts at 10am..minimum of 180 booked in so far.... :(

sadly, 30% of these ponies are of poor quality and will certainly end up with the "meat-man"..

instead of advertising this type of sale as a "good thing" and "go and buy one" the report should tell it as it is..a sad, dire sale and a miserable time in the short lives of these overbred little foals...

these "hill-farmers" should be taxed HEAVILY on what they breed..until the numbers are vastly reduced..i really cannot see why they bother..the foals need to chipped/passported before sold..at a cost of, say, a subsidised £15-20...and the foals achieved £3/4/5 each...madness, total madness

PLEASE...if anyone is thinking of going, remember, these little foals are wild, totally unhandled, not wormed, so will need special care when taken home. be prepared, as some can and do die within days of being bought.

it is a sad situation..and it wont get any better until the horse is recognised at markets as Agricultural..legislation NEEDS to change, and change quickly..and i'll bet my last £1 that on saturday..and the 23rd there will be NO AHO/TS/RSPCA/VET in attendence :mad: :mad:
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This is exactly the type of thing that the British Horse Society auction next weds (see my other post!) is campaigning for...to put a stop to the overbreeding and overpopulating of poor little ponies like this.

https://www.bhs.org.uk/Horse_Care/C...ing/Campaign_News/DtL_Update_August_2010.aspx
 
May I pick anyone's brains and ask "If you wanted to pick up a couple of cheap nice yearlings to make 13.2ish, to be brought on to be child's/young teen's ponies with one to stay with the family and the other sold when ready, where would you go?"

It's not for me - it just looks like I'm going to be providing the transport! Person in question has plenty of sense and experience and I've seen the pony she brought on for her daughter and it's a supersafe sensible pony. One of these potential new ones would be for her granddaughter.
 
nativeponies said:
it says here that its this saturday?
not the 23rd....
http://www.mccartneys.co.uk/content...leofHorsesPoniesandTackSaturday9thOctober2010
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Its definitely the 23rd, its a completely seperate sale from the normal one...no idea why its not listed on the Maccartneys site though.

Derogation Sale of registered Semi-Feral Foals at Brecon Livestock Market -
Saturday 23rd October 2010 at 10.30am.

Full Derogation Sale Rules - Signed agreement between Auctioneers / Society / Organisation

Please note:

1. The sale is confined to foals which must be by Premium or approved stallions, which have been inspected and passed by the Welsh Pony and Cob Society Inspectors in the year of 2009.

2. Each sale application form must have a signed declaration by the Hill Pony Improvement Society Secretary, to say that the colt/filly so described was bred on the Hill/Common under the jurisdiction of the approved Hill Pony Improvement Society.

Strict sale conditions will apply in accordance with the Auctioneers and Derogation regulations.

Entries by catalogue only - deadline date October 8th 2010

Entry forms should be returned to McCartneys' Auctioneers accompanied with a £3 entry fee per foal.

Hill Secretaries please note: There are two amendments to the previously advertised sale conditions.

The above sale has been equally funded by Brecon Beacon National Park Authority, Sustainable Development Fund and Countryside Council for Wales.
 
Apparently (according to the Western Morning News) the first of three sales of Dartmoor Hill Ponies was very poorly attended. Sales were low, and even the dealers (who would normally take lorryloads to Scotland for shipping to Ireland and beyond - and we all know where they would end up) didn't go to the sales.

So most of the ponies were unsold...what on earth will happen to them? Even the meat man didn't want them!
 
jemima_too said:
May I pick anyone's brains and ask "If you wanted to pick up a couple of cheap nice yearlings to make 13.2ish, to be brought on to be child's/young teen's ponies with one to stay with the family and the other sold when ready, where would you go?"
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me!!

i have 4..take your pick!! LOL

no, seriously, if you want to go to a sale, BRS NF sale on 21st oct..they are holding a foal show before the sale..and there will be bargains aplenty
 
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