Breed experts - WHAT is a Shagya??!!

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I've just been researching the stallion that we are using on our ISH mare this year, and way back in his pedigree all these "Shagyas" appear - seems to have a Polish connection? I'm fascinated, so if anyone knows more about this, I'd love to know!
 
Had a couple of Shagya stallions near me in Northern California, much more sporthorse-y than your typical Arab--bigger and somewhat less refined, but still very pretty. One was a dressage stallion, the other was H/J, I *think*. I'm not really sure how common they are.
 
Thanks AP and horsenut - fascinating! They look so beautiful,.... and the stallion that we will be using also has Ramiro as his grandsire, which is how I came across this breed. Isn't it brilliant that you learn something every day when involved with horses?!
 
It originates in Hungary. Named after the foundation stallion called Shagya who was imported from Syria and was very tall for an Arabian.

The foundation stud is at Babolna in Hungary (we bought our foundation mares from Babolna). The Shagya is 90% Arabian and was bred as a Cavalry Horse. The Imperial Cavalry of the Hapsburgs always rode Shagya Arabs. Babolna is the second oldest stud in Hungary.

Sisis Empress of Austria and Hungary loved the Shagya Arab. She wanted to be the best equestrian in Europe.

The stud book is closed with the inclusion of some Arabian blood, though this is rare. If you have Elwyn Hartley Edwards, Ultimate Horse Book there are some fine photos and nice history. It is a rare breed with 2,500 horses left in the world.

Ramzes from whom descends one of the most important Sport Horse Breeding lines was an Anglo Arab whose dam was a Shagya called Jordi. If you look at my post on the Shagya world website you will see that he appears in 48% of pedigrees of horses who competed at WEG in 2004. Just look up Ratina Z or Rembrandt for example.

When we purchased this farm in France from a couple who bred and competed SJ, I mentioned we planned to breed Shagya Arabs. The wife leapt to her feet 'Aston Answer she said' and brought me a book with Aston Answer and her son. What a shame so few Brits have ever heard of Aston Answer or Shagya Basa.

Here is a clue http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10209916

Basa Shagya XII-3 was owned by Henri Wynmalen who was given a gold medal by the BHS for the work he did to promote dressage in the UK.

Some more links for you.

http://shagyaworld.com/sports-results/ramzes-sire-of-the-century/

http://www.babolnamenes.hu/eng/index.html

The stud at Babolna has its own hotel, it is possible to visit to ride and enjoy carriage driving, one of my mares is broken to harness. Drive from either Budapest or Vienna. Friends of ours from Washington DC were so fascinated by this story they will be visiting Babolna in June.

What a shame this thread has become so tacky.
 
Goodness, this is a revival of a very old thread - so old that one of the participants has subsequently been banned from the forum I believe. Thank you for all the detail rollin, really interesting, and as always you are a mine of information; I think you can be confident that the tackiness will not return!
 
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