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I am really surprised that you should say whippets can’t do a ten mile walk. I had whippets many years ago, they weren’t short of stamina and came hacking with the horses.
My daughter has a whippet now, she lives on their farm and goes absolutely miles with the quad bike or will happily come out for a walk with my flatcoat at a slower speed Clodagh! She is not that impressed at the flatcoat wanting to be in the sea though but she does splash about in the summer.
I have also owned a Manchester, they are extremely good looking little dogs , she was intelligent but not that keen to be obedient and I really didn’t like the terrier temperament.
 
Chiffy said:
I am really surprised that you should say whippets can’t do a ten mile walk. I had whippets many years ago, they weren’t short of stamina and came hacking with the horses.
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I'm a bit mind boggled at it. I do see it on FB groups though. Always walked on leads in about 7 coats and never in rain or cold or very far. One of mine is too drivey to be an ideal pet but the other is a big daft clown and both always want to go out and keep going. Then they crash out for the rest of the time which suits me just fine!
 
Esmae said:
If you want a more "robust" whippet then a working strain would probably suit. We had one from the "Hedgerunner" kennel and frankly he never ever wanted to stop and was big and burly. Might well fit your brief.
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I don't want a more robust whippet, my girl is 18kg with not a scrap of fat on her.

I'm Dun said:
I'm a bit mind boggled at it. I do see it on FB groups though. Always walked on leads in about 7 coats and never in rain or cold or very far. One of mine is too drivey to be an ideal pet but the other is a big daft clown and both always want to go out and keep going. Then they crash out for the rest of the time which suits me just fine!
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Ooh, a teeny bit judgey there!
Mine CAN do a 10 mile walk but is happier with about 5-7 miles.
Also now limited by 2 huge leg reconstruction surgeries last year.
I've said I adore our whippets, however I think it's quite correct for me to look and question whether another breed would suit a little better, when I want to do all day hikes around Welsh mountains.
 
@Spotherisk I'm impressed with yours swimming!
Mine will paddle a little when we walk with my friends pack of labs but she's not a natural swimmer.
We have her first hydrotherapy session tomorrow for her leg, so perhaps she'll get to like it a bit more!
 
millitiger said:
I appreciate that and perhaps worded it wrong.
Mine aren't weedy or pathetic whippets at all 😃
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I did not, for one moment, imply that your dogs were either weedy or pathetic. We had 3, now sadly only 2 since losing one a few months ago. All are different. One comes from a show strain, he is more prone to fat than the others. One is from a strain that has a lot of racing whippets, he is more rangy and light in build, the one we lost, due to an accident, came from a working strain. By whippet standards he was enormous. Weighed in at 25kgs, no fat on him. He would have out run the others all day long. That is what I was referring to.
 
Can someone explain the difference between Lancashire heelers (are they related to corgis?) Black and Tan terriers (English toy?) and manchesters? And are min pins literally the mini version of dobes or am I way off?
 
Cinnamontoast said:
Can someone explain the difference between Lancashire heelers (are they related to corgis?) Black and Tan terriers (English toy?) and manchesters? And are min pins literally the mini version of dobes or am I way off?
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Manchesters are the original black and tan terrier it seems, with an input of "snap dog" (the precursor to the whippet) around 1850 to improve their use for rabbit coursing (and were only renamed Mannies when it became un-PC to call then Black and Tan terriers!). In increasing size there is English Toy Terrier (Toy Manchester if you are American), Min Pin, Mannies, German Pinchser and Dobermans with very similar breed origins. Dobies were bred from mannies taken to germany by Herr Doberman (a tax collector) and bred to Pinchser type dogs in his dog pounds to produce bigger versions of the feisty little terrier.

ETA: English Toys were only split from Mannies in 1920.
 
druid said:
Manchesters are the original black and tan terrier it seems, with an input of "snap dog" (the precursor to the whippet) around 1850 to improve their use for rabbit coursing (and were only renamed Mannies when it became un-PC to call then Black and Tan terriers!). In increasing size there is English Toy Terrier (Toy Manchester if you are American), Min Pin, Mannies, German Pinchser and Dobermans with very similar breed origins. Dobies were bred from mannies taken to germany by Herr Doberman (a tax collector) and bred to Pinchser type dogs in his dog pounds to produce bigger versions of the feisty little terrier.

ETA: English Toys were only split from Mannies in 1920.
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Thank you for that fab explanation! Lancashires must surely be related to corgis? They look really similar. None of the breeds I mentioned are readily available in England, I can’t understand that when they look like very useful little dogs. There’s a big thing at the minute with rat packs travelling round clearing farms: I’m sure any of them would be great, but none of the packs seem to contain them.
 
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Cinnamontoast said:
Thank you for that fab explanation! Lancashires must surely be related to corgis? They look really similar. None of the breeds I mentioned are readily available in England, I can’t understand that when they look like very useful little dogs. There’s a big thing at the minute with rat packs travelling round clearing farms: I’m sure any of them would be great, but none of the packs seem to contain them.
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Mannies are a vulnerable native breed, so we have low puppy numbers annually. They are lovely little dogs but they aren't for everyone. Work has not been bred out of them!
 
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Totally get a border terrier!! I have had my first one for coming up 18 months and he's the best thing ever! He is either full on bouncing on walks etc., or full off, sleeping with his back to the radiator, or under my feet in my office. So much fun, and such a character, and loves cuddles. I have definitely invested the time in training him, but it's paid off. Everyone loves him - he's just the happiest little dog ever, but a proper dog, despite being relatively small.
 
millitiger said:
I don't want a more robust whippet, my girl is 18kg with not a scrap of fat on her.



Ooh, a teeny bit judgey there!
Mine CAN do a 10 mile walk but is happier with about 5-7 miles.
Also now limited by 2 huge leg reconstruction surgeries last year.
I've said I adore our whippets, however I think it's quite correct for me to look and question whether another breed would suit a little better, when I want to do all day hikes around Welsh mountains.
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I wasnt talking about you, I clearly said I see it regularly on FB groups, because I do.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
Thank you for that fab explanation! Lancashires must surely be related to corgis? They look really similar. None of the breeds I mentioned are readily available in England, I can’t understand that when they look like very useful little dogs. There’s a big thing at the minute with rat packs travelling round clearing farms: I’m sure any of them would be great, but none of the packs seem to contain them.
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It’s been said that Lancashire heelers came about when drovers brought cattle from Wales and their dogs (probably corgi type you are right) bred with Manchester terriers . They too are a vulnerable native breed and are actually in pastoral group not terrier as they are a herding breed , but do very much have terrier instincts re ratting etc .

There certainly aren’t many about , only 108 pups registered in 2023 and only 75 in 2024 ☹️
 
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@I'm Dun I really don't want to argue about it.
You said you were mind boggled at 'it'
'It' being me saying my whippet is happier at shorter distances than 10 miles.
Then you made a reference to seeing 'it' on Facebook with owners who don't let them off the lead and 7 coats on.
I think I can be excused for thinking it was, at least sort of, aimed at my OP 😃

Anyhoo, perhaps I'll venture back to the other sections of H&H and head back to ChatGPT for dog guidance instead.
 
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nikicb said:
Totally get a border terrier!! I have had my first one for coming up 18 months and he's the best thing ever! He is either full on bouncing on walks etc., or full off, sleeping with his back to the radiator, or under my feet in my office. So much fun, and such a character, and loves cuddles. I have definitely invested the time in training him, but it's paid off. Everyone loves him - he's just the happiest little dog ever, but a proper dog, despite being relatively small.
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I was just about to direct you to this thread!
 
millitiger said:
How much are Manchester Terriers out of interest? I couldn't find many when I googled.
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It was a long time ago that we bought a Manchester and funnily enough it was to try a different breed having lost one of the whippets.
There were few breeders at the time and puppies were rare and expensive. My OH said that £ for lb, they were as expensive as a £25, 000 racehorse! The breeders told us that at the end of the war there were only 11 left in the country.
Does anyone know if they are still on the vulnerable breed list?
 
Chiffy said:
It was a long time ago that we bought a Manchester and funnily enough it was to try a different breed having lost one of the whippets.
There were few breeders at the time and puppies were rare and expensive. My OH said that £ for lb, they were as expensive as a £25, 000 racehorse! The breeders told us that at the end of the war there were only 11 left in the country.
Does anyone know if they are still on the vulnerable breed list?
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From Druid above. 😊

‘Mannies are a vulnerable native breed, so we have low puppy numbers annually. They are lovely little dogs but they aren't for everyone. Work has not been bred out of them!’
 
Have you considered a smooth fox terrier? I know sod all about them as have a preference for cheap mongrel terriers, but they are apparently on the endangered list. They have a class a Crufts I think ...
 
druid said:
1000-1500 would be pretty normal
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Actually not too bad, given the low numbers. I was of course down a rabbit hole last night looking for puppies (not in the market, just like to look) and Keeshonds would still cost me more. I know, I’m a bit obsessed with them still, but I think I’d rather a terrier if we moved away from springers.
 
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