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I have a super-duper mare (well I think - I am biased and everyone does seem to love her!! lol) She's a well put together appy, good paces with massive scope. Sweet natured as anything and I know enough to know she will make a good mum.

Im not planning on putting her with a stallion till next year, that means all going well foal will be born the year I graduate from uni and have more time form mum and foal.

I've been looking at different stallions, a few spots have caught my eye however dont want to put her with anything just to get spots (too many badly put together dots around for my likings.. all people seem to think about is the spots - dotty for spotty.. ah ha. :rolleyes: )

She's passported however parentage is completely unknown - does this put a damper when I choose a stallion for my mare to go with? I know some breeders are very picky over which mares their stallions cover.

If you could pick an appy stallion who would you go pick and why?

I know people say there is too many foals being bred, I plan on keeping said youngster till i can break him/her and then look to sell on, the market being as it is hopefully it will have picked up a touch and I wouldnt want a possible nice youngster ruined by poor handling and breaking.. rather do it myself and send a good, well mannered horse into the world to bring people enjoyment, not stuck in a field cos someone has ruined it or being passed from home to home.. Not that we can foresee the future of any of our horse :(

Anyway thoughts and have attached pictures of my little lady :)

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Feel free to point and laugh at tail.. know it can be an appy trait to have short tails but I believe hers to be damaged (there is a kink in the tail's vertebrae) hence why I dont think it grows a great deal, unless I spend time doing mobs and massage on it and we seem to have some growth :)

This picture is also the summer she came to me a few years ago, she had had a bit of a rough time, she was a very anxious, tense mare who you couldnt tie-up, rug-up or do much with. (You can see how tense she is just in this picture!!) She has been on loan for a year and is coming home soon but she was a lovely mare after i had spent hours and hours with her our first summer together.

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I'm intrigued as to why you are looking to breed from her with the intention of selling the offspring? I could fully understand if you were looking to keep for yourself, but to me an unregistered mare wouldn't be ideal given you are looking to sell.
 
ihatework said:
I'm intrigued as to why you are looking to breed from her with the intention of selling the offspring? I could fully understand if you were looking to keep for yourself, but to me an unregistered mare wouldn't be ideal given you are looking to sell.
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Agree with this I'm afraid.

She also looks from the pics you have posted that conformationally she is croup high and short and quite sloping in the croup too, long in the loin and limited in the shoulder (though this could just be the photo) plus has quite a lot of under-neck muscle and poor topline. Do you have any static conformation shots of her and what job would you have in mind for the foal?

If you're looking to breed commercially you'll really struggle to sell the offspring of an unregistered mare for anything more than peanuts I'm afraid unless it has a really strong competition record.

Sorry, probably not what you wanted to hear...
 
I did say the second picture did her no favours and it was when she was new and tense and really not a great mare pyscholgically.. a bit of relaxation can do wonders for a horse and I've had a vet take a look and confirmed she is well put together nd a nice horse.

Hardly call it commercial to breed from just the one poor mare! It's just something I've wanted to do, plus I did also put Im keeping the youngster to break and ride away.. even if it doesnt prove to be the next jumping machine i can make it into a nice all rounder. Surely if a horse has potential at show jumping/dressage etc breeding doesn't really come into it?

I guess I was only asking whether or not Im going to come across snooty stallion owners who wouldnt look at letting me put my mare to their stallion due to her lack of blood history in her passport??
 
5horses2dogsandacat said:
I guess I was only asking whether or not Im going to come across snooty stallion owners who wouldnt look at letting me put my mare to their stallion due to her lack of blood history in her passport??
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lol, in the current economic climate, not many stallion owners can AFFORD to be snooty - unless their stallion is Totilas - or a Derby winner!

She's an Appaloosa - whatever her parentage - and an Appaloosa is a colour not a 'breed' as such. The ONLY risk - if picking an Appy stallion for her - is that you might accidentally pick her father!

Can't really judge her conformation from those photos - in the 2nd pic she IS very tense and not showing to her best advantage. Pick a stallion with the best possible conformation and temperament - whatever the colour - and be prepared to keep foal until it's backed and going nicely! It WILL cost you - you'll be lucky to cover out-of-pocket costs - but YOU have to make the decision as to whether you want to lose money producing a nice horse for someone else to enjoy!
 
I know nothing about breeding but if you are going ahead be sure to pick strong points in stallion to offset any weaker points in mare - ie. if you mare croup high pick stallion naturally uphill etc.

Just interested but you sound like you havent had her long and she has been out on loan for quite alot of that time, is she proven in anything - sj/xc/showing etc ?. I know you said you are timing it for after uni but you may find that your situation changes ie. long work hours (if lucky enough to get a job) also if horses are at home you could be faced with choosing job miles away making them staying at home impractical.

Sorry if this sounds negative... she is lovely by the way !!!
 
Don't you also run the risk, if using a spotty stallion, of producing a few spot which is less marketable than a well marked spotty?

I would suggest a quality TB or possibly an Anglo Arab (giving the option of the PBA registry) to give a better chance of a saleable foal.
 
Given that the breeding of the mare is unknown, to give the most predictable outcome for any foal I would be looking for a good pure bred stallion who is true to his type and breeding. Depending on what you want to produce that might be a TB or an Arab which might add a little refinement to your mare. As long as you pick one that is built uphill and has good movement through the shoulder you could breed something quite nice, although there would be no guarantee of spots
 
5horses2dogsandacat said:
I have a super-duper mare (well I think - I am biased and everyone does seem to love her!! lol) She's a well put together appy, good paces with massive scope. Sweet natured as anything and I know enough to know she will make a good mum. - How do you know that, has she had a foal before? She is average judging by the photos. Nothing wrong with that, 1000's of average mares are producing foals every year.


I've been looking at different stallions, a few spots have caught my eye however dont want to put her with anything just to get spots (too many badly put together dots around for my likings.. all people seem to think about is the spots - dotty for spotty.. ah ha. :rolleyes: ) - Yes and with a mare of unknown breeding you could be adding to them. People continue to look at the horses in front & not looking at their sire & dam. It is common to get throwbacks & if you have no idea of what your mare is made up of or what sort of foals she could through then you really ought to stick to a pure bred or a stallion who stamps his stock.

She's passported however parentage is completely unknown - does this put a damper when I choose a stallion for my mare to go with? I know some breeders are very picky over which mares their stallions cover. - Yes for the reasons above

If you could pick an appy stallion who would you go pick and why? - No I would not. I spent a lot of time researching my sisters mare who had Alder & Blythwind in her breeding. In researching this included her own offspring & then there offspring & I was disapointed with some of them to say the least, very average. Having said that my sisters mare (a solid bay from app parents) despite being stressy was fab XC, a bit careless SJ'g & inconsistent in dressage.

I know people say there is too many foals being bred, I plan on keeping said youngster till i can break him/her and then look to sell on, the market being as it is hopefully it will have picked up a touch and I wouldnt want a possible nice youngster ruined by poor handling and breaking.. rather do it myself and send a good, well mannered horse into the world to bring people enjoyment, not stuck in a field cos someone has ruined it or being passed from home to home.. Not that we can foresee the future of any of our horse - You will never recoup your money unless it is good enough for advanced in any of the disciplines. Also you can produce a sensible horse but you will never stop it being passed around or ruined by others. Well mannered horses dont take long to take charge if they dont respect their handler.

Do you have any photos of her jumping? Have you done any competiting with her? I really dont see why you are breeding from her with a view of selling the offspring because you will never recoup your money.

I only know of a handful of stallion owners who would turn you down, money talks. Mind Andulusian stallion owners seem to be quiet picky on mares outside the breed.
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I understand the wanting to breed, but from a mare with unknown parentage I personally wouldn't unless the mare had a really good competition record.
Take a look at the stories currently being posted given that there are a lot of foals being born, there's a post about a still born colt, one about a foal with suspected wobblers. Can you cope with these types of situations, I know I couldn't which is why I never bred from my mare (she does papers and bred a foal prior to me getting her that competed at county show level, and she is still currently competing dressage at 24yo)
Foaling is not as easy as you tend to think and yes some people manage to sail through it with no problems, there are lots of things that can and do go wrong on a regular basis.
Don't know if there's still a link, but the BHS did run a responsible breeding campaign, think it was aimed commercial breeders, but some of the points were valid and apply to everyone.
 
Naryafluffy said:
I understand the wanting to breed, but from a mare with unknown parentage I personally wouldn't unless the mare had a really good competition record.
Take a look at the stories currently being posted given that there are a lot of foals being born, there's a post about a still born colt, one about a foal with suspected wobblers. Can you cope with these types of situations, I know I couldn't which is why I never bred from my mare (she does papers and bred a foal prior to me getting her that competed at county show level, and she is still currently competing dressage at 24yo)
Foaling is not as easy as you tend to think and yes some people manage to sail through it with no problems, there are lots of things that can and do go wrong on a regular basis.
Don't know if there's still a link, but the BHS did run a responsible breeding campaign, think it was aimed commercial breeders, but some of the points were valid and apply to everyone.
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Tracked it down, there is a document attached to the link 'Should I breed from my mare", it's worthwhile asking yourself the questions asked. http://www.bhs.org.uk/Horse_Care/Ca...e_Breeding_2/Should_I_breed_from_my_mare.aspx
Would also like to add that I don't think it should just apply to horses, but also dogs & cats.
 
JanetGeorge said:
lol, in the current economic climate, not many stallion owners can AFFORD to be snooty - unless their stallion is Totilas - or a Derby winner!

She's an Appaloosa - whatever her parentage - and an Appaloosa is a colour not a 'breed' as such. The ONLY risk - if picking an Appy stallion for her - is that you might accidentally pick her father!

Can't really judge her conformation from those photos - in the 2nd pic she IS very tense and not showing to her best advantage. Pick a stallion with the best possible conformation and temperament - whatever the colour - and be prepared to keep foal until it's backed and going nicely! It WILL cost you - you'll be lucky to cover out-of-pocket costs - but YOU have to make the decision as to whether you want to lose money producing a nice horse for someone else to enjoy!
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Appaloosas are a breed of horse and just because a horse has spots it does NOT make it an appaloosa . The breed started registering horses in the 1930 but the breed is much older than that but the history of the breed would make for a very lenghty post and I will spare you that!;):D Not trying to have a pop JG but it gets me riled when everything with spots is called an appaloosa , especially minis:rolleyes: or some cart horse type:rolleyes:.


ETA OP - If you want to breed her i would go for an established breed such as a TB as you have no idea what might be behind your mare in type or breed . Yes she has spots and she may be an appy but she may be any combination of other breeds and just happen to have spots.
 
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Sorry, but I would just like to correct JanetGeorge as Appaloosas are most definitely a breed, and NOT a colour! This is a common misconception. (There are solid Appys and there are also spotted non-Appys)
 
off the point little but also breeding from an appy will not gaurantee spots - only the few spot as far as I am aware will gaurantee spotted offspring.

Look at my chap - he is a few spot !!! def. not your typical appaloosa markings ! just found this which is very interesting as I have always said my chap is blind as a bat at night !

Appaloosas that are homozygous for the leopard complex (LP) gene are also at risk for congenital stationary night blindness - a disorder that causes an affected animal to lack night vision, although day vision is normal. It is an inherited disorder, present from birth, and does not progress over time.

also worth noting....
Appaloosas have an eightfold greater risk of developing Equine Recurrent Uveitis (ERU) than all other breeds combined. If not treated, ERU can lead to blindness, which occurs more often in Appaloosas than in other breeds.[97] Eighty percent of all uveitis cases are found in Appaloosas with physical characteristics including roan or light-colored coat patterns, little pigment around the eyelids and sparse hair in the mane and tail denoting the most at-risk individuals.
 
I've been very much a hobby breeder - from a mare with unknown parentage and no discernible skills, but she was nicely put together, and I had every intention of keeping the foal. And so I would support you wish to breed from your mare.

But, she is poorly put together, and you should think carefully before covering her - especially as you are breeding to sell not to keep. I suspect if she were not spotty you may feel differently about covering her.
 
I agree with the above - she's not that well put together from a breeding point of view, I'm sure she is a lovely horse to own and ride etc, but I'd say if she were bay you wouldn't be thinking of breeding from her at all. You could get alsorts of throwbacks from an unkown so you need to be prepared to keep the offspring - it may not be sale-able or what you expected at all, it's a big gamble breeding from any horse but when breeding to sell you want to be cutting down the odds of getting something you don't want! I've bred from an unkown mare who other than being a great allrounder had done not much else, so I'm not against it, but the mare was well put together and I knew exactly what the stallion threw and he complimented her very well and had already had a few interested folk - I got a stunning foal which sold well and was how I expected it - but I was prepared to keep it if it didn't work though, the couple who bought him even came back and bought his full brother the next year!!

Good temperamnet is on the list of things you want in a broody but is not a good reason to breed alone, and is no guarentee of how they will be as a mother, top of your list is conformation really - colour at the bottom. You need to look at the market - is there one for an average nothing special which may possibly be a funky colour but could just blend in with all the rest? Funky colours can sometimes sell a horse but people do still want a well put together animal - I have seen people breed purely for colour with no regards for conformation and put their mare to a stally with exactly the same flaws as their mare, but because it is guarenteed a certain colour they used that stally, purely for the reason they've seen a similar cross on the net and want one and think it will look the same - 9 out of 10 times they don't turn into the stunning example on the net and they end up dissapointed and stuck with an animal that they didn't need and can't sell!!

I think if you want to breed to sell you need either a very well bred horse, one with a competition record or one that has outstanding conformation and looks. If I were you I'd save the risk to your mare and buy something you really want or that is very well bred etc and go from there - you still won't cover your costs, unless you're buying silly money foals from top names, but you'll still have the experience of bringing on a baby from weaning onwards which is where the fun starts anyway and you will have saved yourself a load of money too!!!

Also on a side note good stallion owners are picky and will turn away mares - or should do - I've turned down 2 mares already this year that were unsuitable and would not have got what the owners wanted. I've also had to turn down 3 that were too closely related to my stally - I know a good few who wouldn't though just to get the money!! I don't want unhappy customers or bad quality offspring with my stallions name on them - it's always the stallion that gets blamed!!, so there are still picky stallion owners out there!!!!:D
 
Personally my point of view from a once only breeder who purely bred to keep I would say you are on a loser, unless you are doing it just for the experience. To breed and keep the foal untill its an age to break and then sell on will proberly be triple what money you will got for the foal, and thats if things go smoothly.
To be fair having said that it could be more as I have lost count what my filly owes me at 17 months old, she will proberly not be worth what I spend on her up to the age of 3. I took advice from my vet and then the stud yard to which stallion I used for the type of horse I would like to breed. I was given no guarentee the resulting foal would be a type I like but I upped the chances with the type of stallion I eventually chose.
I chose the best quality stallion I could afford to improve my mares faults, which he has done. I would not choose to do it any other way I have totally enjoyed the whole experience of breeding once from my mare, but I did all my homework first and knew all the pitfalls. Good luck with whatever you choose to do
 
If you are going to post pictures of your mare and ask for an opinion then you should post the best you can, in those pictures for me i would never breed from her, im no snob either, and i also have a mare with only a sire line, not ideal but her foals are showing huge amounts of talent to event or showjump and the mare herself has good conformation, sweet lady and proven herself and is graded. If you still want to have a foal then you need to improve on her, choose a nice arab or anglo arab or a tb?? It would be so much cheaper to buy a young foal or yearling you see hundreds of traditional cobs for sale for a few hundred pounds but if you breeding to sell then it has to be better than your mare, i always try to get the best from the mare and stallion combined then the foal has half a chance.
 
I have a super-duper mare (well I think - I am biased and everyone does seem to love her!! lol) She's a well put together appy, good paces with massive scope.

Yet most of us are not seeing this from your photos, so what does that say? Suggest you take off the rose-tinted specs, because to repeat what I & others have said you will not make enough money from the offspring of this mare unless they are decent competition horses. You have no idea of the mix as you do not know her breeding & by the sounds of it she does not herself have a competition record. So save your money & buy a decent youngster to bring on & sell.
 
magic104 said:
I have a super-duper mare (well I think - I am biased and everyone does seem to love her!! lol) She's a well put together appy, good paces with massive scope.

Yet most of us are not seeing this from your photos, so what does that say? Suggest you take off the rose-tinted specs, because to repeat what I & others have said you will not make enough money from the offspring of this mare unless they are decent competition horses. You have no idea of the mix as you do not know her breeding & by the sounds of it she does not herself have a competition record. So save your money & buy a decent youngster to bring on & sell.
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umm well none of you have seen her in the flesh for starters also I didnt ask for opinions on if I should breed it is merely asking what studs would think of a mare with no parentage, just for a rough idea...


I dont need opinons of 'I think your mare is poorly put together' and so forth it really wasnt my question. Yes my photo was not great but its all i have on my laptop at this current point.. I even acknowledged she didnt look great!
The fact as well I have a vet with many many years experience tell me she was a great horse and gave me his blessing also makes me raise an eyebrow at all your expert opinions.

Honestly that fact that someone stated that appy was a colour not breed, actually makes me think twice as to what level of experience, some, not all, people on here have to give me advice.

Im not in a mood because you all have gone against my feelings of breeding, thats your own call and with freedom of speech by all means let me hear it!

It will be for an experience as well, its certainly not a money making prospect, even I know that... the saying 'Fools breed, whilst wise men buy' comes straight to mind!

If no-one wants to buy the offspring then no skin off my nose, with 2000 acres and plenty of capital another horse added to the herd will make no difference, and besides we are talking a good 5-6 years time, the market for all you know could be booming and horses being snapped up!

Im only mulling over different stallions at the moment and for all I know she may be barren seeing as she does go into heat a lot and did run with a stallion whilst she was on loan last summer (terms of the loan agreement that has now fallen through.. hence why she is returning home) and didnt take then. If that is the case then she is my girl and she can be a large field ornament and keep my youngsters under control :)


Just also to point out as someone was assuming (never assume - assuming makes an ASS- out of-U and ME) that I hadnt had her long - I actually bought her off a work colleague 4 years ago who decided she liked her spots - it seems as though the mare has had a rough time in life and had not an ounce for trust of any human. after 3 years with me and then being at college I decided to loan her out so that if someone wanted to breed from her they could or if not just be a companion whilst I was at college and then uni. The loan has fallen through after a year as the loaner said either I sold her or she came back to me... she will be coming home and this post was just me thinking over the idea of breeding.
 
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Naryafluffy said:
I understand the wanting to breed, but from a mare with unknown parentage I personally wouldn't unless the mare had a really good competition record.
Take a look at the stories currently being posted given that there are a lot of foals being born, there's a post about a still born colt, one about a foal with suspected wobblers. Can you cope with these types of situations, I know I couldn't which is why I never bred from my mare (she does papers and bred a foal prior to me getting her that competed at county show level, and she is still currently competing dressage at 24yo)
Foaling is not as easy as you tend to think and yes some people manage to sail through it with no problems, there are lots of things that can and do go wrong on a regular basis.
Don't know if there's still a link, but the BHS did run a responsible breeding campaign, think it was aimed commercial breeders, but some of the points were valid and apply to everyone.
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Just want to say that yes, the risks are there like everything unknown things do go wrong and that is indeed life, even the best, most well bred animals can produce a still born or an offspring that has a complex pathology.

Im not a wanna-be, naive person who wouldnt have a clue what to do if the foal for example was breeched at birth, and I have people I can talk to and experienced hands on board to help. My dad's certainly delivered his fair share of cows/pigs/sheep/puppies.. anatomically different yes, but the same principles can always be applied...
 
5horses2dogsandacat said:
umm well none of you have seen her in the flesh for starters also I didnt ask for opinions on if I should breed it is merely asking what studs would think of a mare with no parentage, just for a rough idea...


I dont need opinons of 'I think your mare is poorly put together' and so forth it really wasnt my question. Yes my photo was not great but its all i have on my laptop at this current point.. I even acknowledged she didnt look great!
The fact as well I have a vet with many many years experience tell me she was a great horse and gave me his blessing also makes me raise an eyebrow at all your expert opinions.

Honestly that fact that someone stated that appy was a colour not breed, actually makes me think twice as to what level of experience, some, not all, people on here have to give me advice.
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I was confused as to why you were calling her an appy in your op when she has unknown parentage, in which case she is presumably not an appy but just spotty. If this is the case then you were the first to use 'appy' as a colour not a breed description.

Also, it is usual that in order for people to suggest suitable stallions they will try and advise on what will complement or improve upon the mare's faults, including conformational ones, hence the comments about her conformation.
 
umm well none of you have seen her in the flesh for starters also I didnt ask for opinions on if I should breed it is merely asking what studs would think of a mare with no parentage, just for a rough idea...

Well sorry but you should be asking if you need to breed yet another average horse when the market place is full of them.

I dont need opinons of 'I think your mare is poorly put together' and so forth it really wasnt my question. Yes my photo was not great but its all i have on my laptop at this current point.. I even acknowledged she didnt look great!
The fact as well I have a vet with many many years experience tell me she was a great horse and gave me his blessing also makes me raise an eyebrow at all your expert opinions.

I understand you getting defensive, but you were the one that stated " have a super-duper mare (well I think - I am biased and everyone does seem to love her!! lol) She's a well put together appy, good paces with massive scope. Sweet natured as anything and I know enough to know she will make a good mum." Which shows your lack of knowledge, 1) she is average in her conformation. Massive scope, pershaps you should of put a photo of her jumping then. She will make a good mum, you have no idea until she is a mum, this is now you making the assumption.


Honestly that fact that someone stated that appy was a colour not breed, actually makes me think twice as to what level of experience, some, not all, people on here have to give me advice. - As already pointed out you used the term appy first when you dont even know the breeding of her "Feel free to point and laugh at tail.. know it can be an appy trait to have short tails" And your lack of experience is shown in the posts.

Im not in a mood because you all have gone against my feelings of breeding, thats your own call and with freedom of speech by all means let me hear it!

It will be for an experience as well, its certainly not a money making prospect, even I know that... the saying 'Fools breed, whilst wise men buy' comes straight to mind! Yet you are happy to add to it??

If no-one wants to buy the offspring then no skin off my nose, with 2000 acres and plenty of capital another horse added to the herd will make no difference, and besides we are talking a good 5-6 years time, the market for all you know could be booming and horses being snapped up! - Indeed but still a gamble with an animals life.

Im only mulling over different stallions at the moment and for all I know she may be barren seeing as she does go into heat a lot and did run with a stallion whilst she was on loan last summer (terms of the loan agreement that has now fallen through.. hence why she is returning home) and didnt take then. If that is the case then she is my girl and she can be a large field ornament and keep my youngsters under control :)- Again shows lack of experience with both parties as I would have thought it sensible to have had the mare checked first, probably at the same time she had her swabs done.


Just also to point out as someone was assuming (never assume - assuming makes an ASS- out of-U and ME) that I hadnt had her long - I actually bought her off a work colleague 4 years ago who decided she liked her spots - it seems as though the mare has had a rough time in life and had not an ounce for trust of any human. after 3 years with me and then being at college I decided to loan her out so that if someone wanted to breed from her they could or if not just be a companion whilst I was at college and then uni. The loan has fallen through after a year as the loaner said either I sold her or she came back to me... she will be coming home and this post was just me thinking over the idea of breeding.[/QUOTE] - Already answered this & it shows both of you are capable of making assumptions as well, otherwise the mare would have had a pre check with the vet. You have made an assumption based on no facts that she will make a great mum. Well a mare with a good temperment especially a maiden does not equal good mum!

Yes it is dangerous to assume, but there is no assumption in the fact she is unreg (or her original documents have gone missing in the past), she has no competition record to speak of. You have no idea what you could end up with because she has no known breeding. You go ahead & do what you want, but when you are looking at stallions at least try to research them & the offspring. It is much easier these days to take the time to do the research. Lets hope your circumstances dont change & you still have your 2000 acreas, & can provide for teh horse IF things dont work out.
 
I have bred frOm my unregistered mare (although we know her full breeding). I put her to a registered KWPN and the foal who I have kept is now 7. The youngster is stunning (biased I know!) and much admired, I have had numerous offers from people to purchase her, so her only being part registered has not hindered her at all. Given that o have put much time and effort into her education! A friend of mine did the same and her youngster prooved difficult and was not easy to ride away -although having come through difficulties ( hard work, sweat and occasionally tears!) she now has a lovely horse.

If you are breeding for the experience then it's definitely worth while (i have just put the mother back in foal). Presuming that you are experienced in breaking/ riding youngsters and have a good support network on the ground! If you are breeding to make money I wouldn't advise it in the current climate given many offspring with full breeding histories are struggling to be sold for good money.

Essentially I would find a stallion with a trainable temperament. Smaller, local studs I have found very helpful and tend to have better stud terms (ie no foal free return).

Good luck - let us know what stallion you choose if you go ahead :)
 
I don't see any problem in you breeding from her, shes yours and its your choice. As shes a mutley -although I love her spots - I would go to a tb, they are a pretty safe bet. I took my nice looking but not stunning mare to Groomsbridge May I and got the most handsome easy going foal ever.
 
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