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Today I saw a horse for sale advert which says 'cremello mare, suitable for breeding with a chesnut, you get a palomino.' Now there was me thinking it had something to do with dominant and recessive genes and that you couldn't just mix two colours together - atleast that's what they taught me at college =S So would someone please tell me - can I mix together a strawberry roan and a cremello and get a pink horse?? 'Cause I really do want one :)

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cremello and chestnut will always give a palo :) you'll have to try the pink horse theory :p

*steps away from crazy colour breeder in the making :D*
 
Although there is no guarantee, this cross has a very high chance of a palomino resulting. Wha's the problem?:cool:
 
Here you are, have a play on the Color Calculator:o

It helps if you know some more details about dam and sire but it gives you an idea.
http://www.animalgenetics.us/CCalculator1.asp

According to this, calculated without the twiddly agouti/silver etc bits, if you breed a chestnut (strawberry) roan to a cremello you will get either a solid palomino or a palomino roan! yellow, not pink! :D
 
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Storminateacup said:
Colour calculator not much use for non american breds, - I have an appaloosa X Grey. No appaloosa, no grey, in the options box
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Quite so, no appaloosa in the pattern box, how odd, but gray is there. You have to put in the original solid colour, then tick the gray box.

I agree, the colours do seem limited, and not terms used everyday in the UK. I'd certainly never heard of a bunch of them until I saw this, I still wouldn't know a smokey black if it bit me:o

I think that you get what you get in the end, as long as it's up and breathing then the 'right' colour/pattern/markings are an added extra. If I was specifically breeding for palomino then I wouldn't be using a chestnut mare that gives me only a 50/50 chance of one with my stallion.
 
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Feel free to ignore if you like but I want to show off a bit :)
Chesnut - ee crcr - homozygous recessive for extension, no cream
Cremello - ee CrCr - homozygous recessive for extension, homozygous crea
Palomino - ee Crcr - homozygous recessive for extension, heterozygous cream

If it is a cremello then the foal can only be ee and:

cr cr
Cr Crcr Crcr

Cr Crcr Crcr

All palomino results :)

Only problem hear is that without testing it has hard to tell the difference between an cremello and a perlino (E- A- CrCr) or smoky cream (E- aa CrCr) and if it is either of those you could get buckskins or smoky blacks in the mix.

As to the pink pony, if one parent was homozygous roan on chestnut and the other was cremello you would end up with a palomino roan (not sure how pink it would be, sounds fun though)

"blue roan and white mare and she is put to a liver chestnut stallion"

Blue - E- aa, roan Rn- and white, could be tobi splash or sabino or a mix (unless its a mini then it could be frame too)

Chestnut - ee (may carry sabino or splash if he has socks/face markings)

chances of results -
100 % Black if mare is EE
50/50 black / chestnut if Ee
100% roan if RnRn
50/50 roan / not roan if Rnrn
Anything could happen with the white patterns :)
 
appaloosa probably isnt there because the genes for spotting are quite complicated and as yet fully researched.
 
Donkeymad said:
Although there is no guarantee, this cross has a very high chance of a palomino resulting. Wha's the problem?:cool:
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No problem - I was just wondering, if you can mix colours to get a different colour, if I can get a pink horse from mixing a cremello and a strawberry roan lol it was a long shot, I know but worth a try :)
 
An article that I read waaaayyyy back in the mists of time explained the inheritence of the palomino colour (as explained above) but it also said that the colour you get from a chestnut x cremello is not as good as you would get from two palominos, although with two palominos you obviously have only a 50% chance of a palomino with 25% chestnut and 25% cremello compared to the 100% result of chestnut x cremello.

It said this was why palomino breeders don't just always breed cremellos to chestnuts.

I'm no expert though, it was just a magazine article that for some reason I remember reeeeaaaallly well - must have read it around the time of my biology a-level or something......
 
This reminded me of when I first got interested in horses and was reading about markings and colours. I had this great theory that crossing a blue roan with a yellow dun would produce a green pony... I was only about 8 years old at the time :)
 
Ommadawn said:
This reminded me of when I first got interested in horses and was reading about markings and colours. I had this great theory that crossing a blue roan with a yellow dun would produce a green pony... I was only about 8 years old at the time :)
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:D:D Logical.

So a red (strawberry) roan + blue roan = Blueberry:confused: ;)
 
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