Breeding - same great grandsire on both sides

[Bumblepony]

I'm looking for a pony to buy and in looking at the pedigrees of the parents of one I'm interested in today, I noted that the great grandsire of the pony in question's sire is the same of that as his dam (if that makes sense) would this be a cause for concern do you think? Don't want to share the pedigree in case the seller is on this forum, but it's Welsh if it helps to know.

Thank you!

 

[ihatework]

It’s called line breeding and very common in Welsh.

I think doubling up on the 3rd generation is generally considered ok. It still makes me a little uneasy though.

 

[Xmasha]

What is it that the fab Janet George used to say .. if it works ( nice horse) its line breeding, if it doesnt ( its a nightmare) its inbreeding,

We had a good chat about this before she sadly passed, as we where both looking at the same stallion to use, who had one line very similar to our mares ( foal would have had same sire 4th generation back ). That particular sire was / does have a fab reputation so doubling up on that would / could be seen as a positive.

3rd generation is a bit close for me

 

[ester]

Pretty common in welshies (probably more distant than many!)

 

[HBB]

There's a certain prolific Welsh D stallion that comes to mind, the produce of father covering daughter, that's far too close and I do wonder why the society allowed it.

 

[tda]

I had a stallion here on loan for three seasons (Dales pony), he was ridiculously inbred, very similar lines /same lines on both sides, however he had an amazing temperament great conformation and moved well, he had been used extensively by various people before me and I had seen and liked his offspring.
Makes me slightly uncomfortable, but if we ever breed from any of his offspring they will be put to something very unconnected.
It does still go on.

 

[Gloi]

If it's only that one line and it's a nice pony I wouldn't worry. It is far less than a lot of ponies in various breeds.

 

[Snowfilly]

Wouldn’t worry me in the slightest. It’s hard to find a Welsh without some inbreeding and unless you’re going to be breeding from him, it’s not really a concern.

The Suffolk and Eriskay pedigrees are a lot worse than that as well!

 

[Caol Ila]

Haha. My mare's colt has the same grandsire on both sides because his mom was knocked up by her half brother. He doesn't have five legs or webbed feet.

 

[Lois Lame]

I think judge the pony for himself. I hope he's lovely.

 

[Equi]

My mare and stallion had a same grand sire (grand grand on one side) Both turned out excellent and together made an excellent foal.

 

[Bumblepony]

Thank you so much all that's really helpful

 

[minesadouble]

Our Welsh C gelding has the same grand dam on both sides and he is lovely, massive winner in the show ring, been placed at HOYS a couple of times and is now a lovely schoolmaster for my youngest daughter.

 

[Leandy]

Looking for a pony for what purpose? If for breeding then if it is in itself a nice pony I wouldn't be concerned but would need to consider what lines to put it to and whether that would cause any problems. If I did not want to breed I would not be concerned. It is what it is.

 

[Cortez]

I wouldn’t give it a second thought, many pedigree horses and ponies will have consanguinity much closer than that.

 

[Birker2020]

Wouldn't have thought it mattered though I had an interesting conversation with the late great Ted Edgar once and asked him how he chose his horses. He said greatness, in his opinion, skipped a generation.

So he always picked horses whose Grandsires and not sires has proven records and were considered great horses in the annals of horse breeding.

This was a really nice thing to hear as my Bailey's Grandsire was Nimmerdor a very popular and proven stallion (this is how we'd got on the subject as he'd asked me her breeding). And it happened to be Nick Skeltons horse with the same grandsire that Big Star had on his dams side and my horse had on his sires side. Maybe my horse might have been 'great' had she kept sound and had a great rider like Nick Skelton on board.

 

[Xmas lucky]

If you not breeding it doesn’t matter don’t let that stop you from buying him. I have mare that on her green passport says Irish sport horse got looked at her breeding turned out she full ID .

 

[Hallo2012]

its incredibly hard to find welshies that ARENT line bred...........i have 2 stallions one is not at all(total rarity!) and the other is very closely line bred in every generation.

both are lovely examples of the breed and very kind ponies and both will undoubtedly cover more TB and WB mares than welsh thus opening up the breeding but i will be double checking any welsh mares the line bred one covers to make sure theres none in common!

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

It wouldn't bother me and is common with certain breeds especially Welsh and they do it with Arab's as well.