NeverSayNever
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just wondering what people consider the best breeding to make an event horse?
and if anyone knows of any quarterhorses or crosses in eventing?
many thanks in advance
Breeds for eventing? anyone know any QH or QH x's?
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just wondering what people consider the best breeding to make an event horse?
and if anyone knows of any quarterhorses or crosses in eventing?
many thanks in advance
vallin
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I would have to say selle francais, or SF cross, but then I'm biased. I do think that the warmblood type horses X wtih lucitano/andalusian type horse can make great event horse as it just makes them that bit more versatile...or that's my opinion anyway!
Bearskin
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There was an Advanced New Zealand horse called Taurus who was QH cross. Ridden by Bryce Newman.
NeverSayNever
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There was an Advanced New Zealand horse called Taurus who was QH cross. Ridden by Bryce Newman.
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thanks,i wonder what he was crossed with?
anyone else?
There was an Advanced New Zealand horse called Taurus who was QH cross. Ridden by Bryce Newman.
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thanks,i wonder what he was crossed with?
anyone else?
Mickyjoe
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Irish sport horses!!! Top of the World Breeding Federation Eventing Rankings for the last 15 years, so think they win!
Mind you - I have (and love) both ISH and ISH x Selle Francais and I think the Selle Francais are the fastest improving studbook in the rankings.
Would love to hear more about any QHs eventing. I sat on a competitive reining quarter horse in Oz and thought they seemed like such a fab breed. Do they jump much though?
Mind you - I have (and love) both ISH and ISH x Selle Francais and I think the Selle Francais are the fastest improving studbook in the rankings.
Would love to hear more about any QHs eventing. I sat on a competitive reining quarter horse in Oz and thought they seemed like such a fab breed. Do they jump much though?
spacefaer
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I used to event a quarter QH (3/4TB)
He was very sweet natured and loved his jumping but seriously struggled with the dressage. They're so purpose built for the work they're bred for, they very on their forehand for European style dressage.
He did moderate show jumping (again, hard to get his shoulders up quick enough) and jumped XC with more enthusiasm than style
He went to Chepstow 3DE (novice BE) so didn't do too badly. Not my first choice of event breeds tho
I would have 7/8 TB anyday - have recently gained 2 ISHxSF though and am a huge fan - move, jump and fab temperaments
He was very sweet natured and loved his jumping but seriously struggled with the dressage. They're so purpose built for the work they're bred for, they very on their forehand for European style dressage.
He did moderate show jumping (again, hard to get his shoulders up quick enough) and jumped XC with more enthusiasm than style
He went to Chepstow 3DE (novice BE) so didn't do too badly. Not my first choice of event breeds tho
I would have 7/8 TB anyday - have recently gained 2 ISHxSF though and am a huge fan - move, jump and fab temperaments
jenh166
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Theres an old retired eventer at my yard who is TB x QH - did well at novice, very brave and speedy but hard to stop apparantly!
Personally my absolute ideal would be 1/2 TB, 1/4 WB, 1/4 Irish (ID or connie) but really it just depends on the horse. I've evented ex-racers, a hanoverian, a belgian wb and a pure connie and had great fun on all of them!
Personally my absolute ideal would be 1/2 TB, 1/4 WB, 1/4 Irish (ID or connie) but really it just depends on the horse. I've evented ex-racers, a hanoverian, a belgian wb and a pure connie and had great fun on all of them!
TarrSteps
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There are lots of QHs doing lower level stuff in North America (mostly because there are lots of QHs in North America) and a few that have gone up the levels. One, Dial-A-Dream, went to the Olympics for Canada but admittedly that was awhile ago.
It really depends on the type of QH you're talking about. Many lines are now heavily TB (it's a bit complicated but there are situations where half TB horses can get full QH papers and breed "as" QHs, including back to TBs . . ) and very suitable to event. The nice ones tend to end up doing AQHA though, which has massive prize funds and tends to make them prohibitively expensive for "cheap" eventers. The really "stock/working" bred ones tend to be small and not great gallopers - great at what they're for but that's not for English sport.
That said, there are so many decent QHs around they're very popular as amateur horses at the bottom end because they tend to be good minded, not too huge, and priced affordably. They tend not to be fantastic movers but often present a nice picture and are easy to train, which counts for a bit. If they're well conformed they'll move and jump well, although as a breed they tend towards being "downhill" which obviously affects both movement and jumping style.
I wouldn't go looking for a QH to move up the levels on but many of them have very nice minds and make great all around horses for teenagers and adults.
It really depends on the type of QH you're talking about. Many lines are now heavily TB (it's a bit complicated but there are situations where half TB horses can get full QH papers and breed "as" QHs, including back to TBs . . ) and very suitable to event. The nice ones tend to end up doing AQHA though, which has massive prize funds and tends to make them prohibitively expensive for "cheap" eventers. The really "stock/working" bred ones tend to be small and not great gallopers - great at what they're for but that's not for English sport.
That said, there are so many decent QHs around they're very popular as amateur horses at the bottom end because they tend to be good minded, not too huge, and priced affordably. They tend not to be fantastic movers but often present a nice picture and are easy to train, which counts for a bit. If they're well conformed they'll move and jump well, although as a breed they tend towards being "downhill" which obviously affects both movement and jumping style.
I wouldn't go looking for a QH to move up the levels on but many of them have very nice minds and make great all around horses for teenagers and adults.
Festive_Felicitations
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Ringwould Jaguar the black horse on the Austrailan Eventing team at the olympics is 1/4 QH, 1/2 'stock horse' and 1/4 TB.
The 'stock horse' breed is a random mixture of TB/QH/arab/welsh/anything imported.
I've seen Ringwould Jaguar in action here in Australian and he is brilliant! So fast XC!
Copied from another forum:
"The Australian Quarter Horse Jensen's Man (sire of Aussie CCI**** horse Ringwood Jaguar who placed 10th at the 2008 Olympics, among others), was ranked 11th in the WBFSH Eventing Sires list last year. He had 1 offspring in the top 50 and 1 in the top 100 and he was damsire of TEN ranked eventers overall - way more than any of the other breed/registry damsires (which could be a factor of his age - he was born in 1978). Jensen's Man does have Top Deck and Three Bars up close so obviously has a good dose of TB."
The 'stock horse' breed is a random mixture of TB/QH/arab/welsh/anything imported.
I've seen Ringwould Jaguar in action here in Australian and he is brilliant! So fast XC!
Copied from another forum:
"The Australian Quarter Horse Jensen's Man (sire of Aussie CCI**** horse Ringwood Jaguar who placed 10th at the 2008 Olympics, among others), was ranked 11th in the WBFSH Eventing Sires list last year. He had 1 offspring in the top 50 and 1 in the top 100 and he was damsire of TEN ranked eventers overall - way more than any of the other breed/registry damsires (which could be a factor of his age - he was born in 1978). Jensen's Man does have Top Deck and Three Bars up close so obviously has a good dose of TB."
jomiln
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Several years ago there was a full quarter horse doing Advanced Eventing - I think he was called Rocky Mountain Zero - He was by Mr Harmon Zero out of Miss Bay Charger.
I have a QH stallion who has evented to Riding Club National Level
We also have a son of his who is out of a TB mare who is starting BE this year.
They do event it's just that a lot of people think of them as western horses.
I have a QH stallion who has evented to Riding Club National Level
We also have a son of his who is out of a TB mare who is starting BE this year.
They do event it's just that a lot of people think of them as western horses.
NeverSayNever
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thank you for all that info - very useful and interesting to know. ive always liked and admire QH's, but recent research has shown me ive been ignorant of a lot of facts. the ones that i have seen and admired have all been nicely put together, short coupled, fantastic back end - which made me think they would be a good mix with tb. i had no idea about them being naturally downhill... and some of the really chunky overbred ones ive seen pics of were awful.
does anyone know the QH stallion oso prime? those in the know, what kind of mix do you think he'd produce with a nice TB mare?
does anyone know the QH stallion oso prime? those in the know, what kind of mix do you think he'd produce with a nice TB mare?
ironhorse
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For interest, this is a QHxTB which is shown in AQHA classes - European champion in what they call hunter under saddle (not like any English hunter class you'd ever see, hence why they are ridden so long and low!
http://www.nrhphotography.co.uk/thumb.aspx?eventid=651
My goal was always to breed a really nice QHxTB to hunt, show and possibly team chase, and although I now doubt if my funds will ever allow, I do believe it is possible.
The difficulty is that few QH stallions in the UK are ever competed in anything other than reining, and as has already been stated, lovely as they are, they're not really the type to breed an 'English' performance horse. There are a few tall, scopey stallions in the UK who might fit the bill - David Deptford's Jay's Smokin Story is one, but if you were really keen it might be a good idea to investigate stallions in Eurooe who have done well in 'all round' championships (ie ridden english and western) and are available for AI. Then you need a really nice TB mare... pm me if you want some more stallion ideas or if you decide to pursue this further, I'd love to hear about it.
http://www.nrhphotography.co.uk/thumb.aspx?eventid=651
My goal was always to breed a really nice QHxTB to hunt, show and possibly team chase, and although I now doubt if my funds will ever allow, I do believe it is possible.
The difficulty is that few QH stallions in the UK are ever competed in anything other than reining, and as has already been stated, lovely as they are, they're not really the type to breed an 'English' performance horse. There are a few tall, scopey stallions in the UK who might fit the bill - David Deptford's Jay's Smokin Story is one, but if you were really keen it might be a good idea to investigate stallions in Eurooe who have done well in 'all round' championships (ie ridden english and western) and are available for AI. Then you need a really nice TB mare... pm me if you want some more stallion ideas or if you decide to pursue this further, I'd love to hear about it.
GermanyJo
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I wonder if they have the stamina for the higher levels.. as the name suggests historically they were breed to sprint over a quarter of a mile.....
jomiln
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Our part bred (TB X QH) has reguarly been hunting this winter and has bags of stamina and is never left behind.
He can turn his hoof to any job from hunting to Pony Club - dressage to hopefully eventing this year.
His sire is QH and he has done a variety of different types of work from hunting to Riding Club Nationals. Last year at the age of 18 he was allowed to attend pony club and on his first outing with my daughter they were placed in combined training.
The QH cross are a very good versatile breed that is underestimated. The generally have a fab temperament and an attititude to life that is laid back until the owner wants to do something - ride me every day or once a week and I'll be the same!!!!
Above is QH x TB at his first hunter trial
Waccabuc Bay Charger - QH stallion
He can turn his hoof to any job from hunting to Pony Club - dressage to hopefully eventing this year.
His sire is QH and he has done a variety of different types of work from hunting to Riding Club Nationals. Last year at the age of 18 he was allowed to attend pony club and on his first outing with my daughter they were placed in combined training.
The QH cross are a very good versatile breed that is underestimated. The generally have a fab temperament and an attititude to life that is laid back until the owner wants to do something - ride me every day or once a week and I'll be the same!!!!
Above is QH x TB at his first hunter trial
Waccabuc Bay Charger - QH stallion
ironhorse
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Can also confirm that stamina is not an issue - in fact QH should add stamina to any cross.
I hunted a pure bred QH that I had on loan and she kept going all day..it was me that wanted to go home as that particular one was a TEENSY bit sharp!
Our current mare does AQHA showing and we can do 5-6 classes a day at some shows, starting with in hand at 7am and still be going at 7pm. OK, we make sure she has plenty of breaks and the work is not particularly fast, but she is exactly the same at the end of the day as at the start.
At the higher levels, pure jumping scope might be the limiting factor for an eventer, so an ambitious breeder should look for a mare with proven jumping ability.
I hunted a pure bred QH that I had on loan and she kept going all day..it was me that wanted to go home as that particular one was a TEENSY bit sharp!
Our current mare does AQHA showing and we can do 5-6 classes a day at some shows, starting with in hand at 7am and still be going at 7pm. OK, we make sure she has plenty of breaks and the work is not particularly fast, but she is exactly the same at the end of the day as at the start.
At the higher levels, pure jumping scope might be the limiting factor for an eventer, so an ambitious breeder should look for a mare with proven jumping ability.
Festive_Felicitations
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This is a pic of a 3yr old QH colt (still growing) but he used to regularly jump 3 solid 6ft corral walls to get back into the field with his friends, and never touched them, impressive but annoying. Not sure if he could / would do it with a rider.
This link is to his father Altillo Condor (2nd from bottom):
http://www.horse-riding-argentina.com/EN/stallions.html
(click photo to enlarge)
It is not a great photo, but I worked at the Stud (its in Argentina) for a while and he would make a great sire for an event horse, he is well built and very athletic.
If you wanted to breed a QH (or cross) to event perhaps you could look for his bloodlines I believe he was bred by AI from the States.
This link is to his father Altillo Condor (2nd from bottom):
http://www.horse-riding-argentina.com/EN/stallions.html
(click photo to enlarge)
It is not a great photo, but I worked at the Stud (its in Argentina) for a while and he would make a great sire for an event horse, he is well built and very athletic.
If you wanted to breed a QH (or cross) to event perhaps you could look for his bloodlines I believe he was bred by AI from the States.