Brexit and taking dogs to Southern Ireland

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We regularly holiday with our dogs in Southern Ireland taking our caravan and dogs over on the ferry from Fishguard spending a month touring around and enjoying the wonderful hospitality of the Irish.Does anyone have any idea how BrexiIt will affect this.or is this another unknown casualty of Brexit.
I assume the EU pet passport won't be valid once we leave.
 
if we leave without a deal there’s going to be a lag until things get up and running again .
Pet passports is an easy one the rest of the EU is at no risk from pets travelling from the UK the risk is all the other way so it should be long before they fix that issue .
 
Thanks just hope they get this sorted. Really love our visits and the wonderful hospitality.Still there is far worse uncertainty for people whose livelihoods depend on getting this all resolved.
 
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pet-travel-to-europe-after-brexit

In the event of a no deal exit the above will apply, and we will have to comply whether we are travelling to Ireland (I can see the border from here and cross it regularly with my dogs) or mainland Europe.

Saying our animals are risk free so it doesn't matter is ridiculous. And I expect the movement of dogs, cats and ferrets will be way down the list of priorities to be sorted after a no deal Brexit.
 
I think its all a bit vague, I did see something online when I was booking my ferry at Christmas about NOT requiring rabies/tapeworm proof and the 4 month advance vet visit, but needing up to date vaccination records. I will try and hunt it down.

When I booked my Stena crossing (Holyhead-Dublin) and clicked that I had a dog they requested his chip number and passport number which has never happened before. However I only provided the chip number as didnt have passport to hand and the booking went through fine.

Edit- Okay I can now find no sign of this info :rolleyes: might have been on the booking page, so I've emailed Stena to see if there is any info other than the standard DEFRA (I would think not...). Logistics wise, there is nothing set up currently to check the passports, unless they do it on check in and just scan the chip in the security hut? Not sure.

If you're not travelling till next year, I can update on the shambles or otherwise post Christmas (if we've left by then) :eek:
 
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horselib said:
We regularly holiday with our dogs in Southern Ireland taking our caravan and dogs over on the ferry from Fishguard spending a month touring around and enjoying the wonderful hospitality of the Irish.Does anyone have any idea how BrexiIt will affect this.or is this another unknown casualty of Brexit.
I assume the EU pet passport won't be valid once we leave.
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Worst case scenario is if the UK becomes an unlisted third country, where pet passports become invalid
Then you still need the microchip and rabies vaccination, but with an additional titre test for rabies 30 days after am initial vacciantion/booster at an EU approved laboratory which needs to show results of 0.5 IU/ml three months (not 90 days) before travel.
A vet health certificate no more than 10 days before travel
For the Republic of Ireland, a tapeworm treatement for dogs no less than 1 day and no more than 5 days still applies.
It also looks like EU unlisted countries have to use Travellers Point of Entry (TPE), which for the Republic of Ireland is currently listed as Rosslare or Kingaskiddy Port (Cork)

I would say the most up to date info will be from the Aninmal and Plant Health Agencey (APHA) with a link below

http://apha.defra.gov.uk/vet-gateway/news/20190605.html
 
There has never been a requirement for passports for pets or humans travelling to Ireland and after Brexit this will not change for UK citizens so it would be odd if restrictions were placed on dogs.
 
Did think it might be shambolic .Not got anything booked yet.Usually go June /July for a month. Never had a dog passport checked anywhere in the past and didn't need a blood test in the past.Getting a blood test isn't a problem but one of he dogs is hyperallergic he reacted badly and ended up in the veterinary hospital with anaphylactic shock after worming a few years ago. I will just have to monitor development
 
We have had to have a passports and a pet passport to travel to Southern Ireland our passports have been checked on leaving the ferry at Rosslaire but the E U dogs passports have never been checked. Hope they sort it out soon .
I suppose there are more important stuff to deal with first.
 
Tinkerbee said:
Can we all have a moment of silence for past Tinkerbee who thought she had everything in line :rolleyes: After calling Stena, Irish Ferries and the vets, I can confirm that everything is shambles o_O
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Moment duly noted :( Had the same level of exasperation when looking to come back from Dublin with the dog just before the first Brexit deadline in April, and had different answers from vets, Stena, and the UK and Irish government websites.
There may have been light sobbing down the phone when I called Pets Travel helpline :eek: (it was a whole thing of moving country, job and house and more stress than I could take, and the imminent prospect of travelling as a foot passenger, with two massive suitcases and a sulky whippet).
Having said that, the only person that even glanced at the sulky whippets passport was at the Stena check in when we first moved. Its more than likely not much will change.
 
All I can say is thank God for this post 😳 I thought I'd double checked everything correctly, alas...

Vets, Stena and Irish ferries all conflicting and pointing to variously UK and ROI guidance which don't work well together as pointed out by others.
I think I've established that the TPE doesn't apply to domestic animals going UK to ROI and back. Hopefully anyway as from my reading of it Rosslare is a designated leaving port but no Welsh ones so would have to commandeer a dinghy and arrive in Southampton or Dover 🤔

Irish ferries have said that they won't require the blood tests for leaving, another person said it needs to be 21 days prior to travel which I can't find anywhere legit and the Defra guidance implies that an up to date pre Brexit pet passport would be sufficient for re entry to UK from ROI. But then if 🙄 there's any check on the border that would be where I need the blood test dated three months prior.

Currently a 4 week wait on the titre results according to vets but the three months prior requirement DEFRA is from the sample being taken not results obtained. So providing results are okay, he should be able to come back 😳 and I've swapped the outgoing journey to be UK - UK. Unless Northern Ireland leaves the UK between now and Christmas 😉

Although knowing my luck Brexit will be extended and I'll be £125 and a 6hr drive to Scotland poorer 🙄
I do think there has always been a pet passport requirement UK to ROI but there was never a whiff of it when booking previously, it was buried in small print.

Watch this space...
 
The 21 day thing is if the UK becomes a listed third country and then have to apply for Part 1 or Part 2 EU Pet Travel Regulations.

Unless you nip over now, and get him an Irish passport :p o_O
 
Rowreach said:
Well the official guidance begs to differ.
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What do you mean ? There has never been a legal requirement for a passport to travel to Ireland, my kids used to go with a citizen identity card. I have a passport, but an identity document is all that has been required on law. Dogs also have never legally required a pet passport but may do if the South chooses to make it mandatory. Northern Ireland has no plans to change.
 
paisley said:
The 21 day thing is if the UK becomes a listed third country and then have to apply for Part 1 or Part 2 EU Pet Travel Regulations.

Unless you nip over now, and get him an Irish passport :po_O
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Ah yes that makes sense! Maybe they know how it will pan out then, 🤔😂

Haha I'm tempted. I wonder if my partner will have to write a letter of recommendation to allow me to take the dog out of the country with my Irish passport 😂
 
dogatemysalad said:
What do you mean ? There has never been a legal requirement for a passport to travel to Ireland, my kids used to go with a citizen identity card. I have a passport, but an identity document is all that has been required on law. Dogs also have never legally required a pet passport but may do if the South chooses to make it mandatory. Northern Ireland has no plans to change.
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You stated "after Brexit this will not change". I posted the relevant link above.
 
dogatemysalad said:
What do you mean ? There has never been a legal requirement for a passport to travel to Ireland, my kids used to go with a citizen identity card. I have a passport, but an identity document is all that has been required on law. Dogs also have never legally required a pet passport but may do if the South chooses to make it mandatory. Northern Ireland has no plans to change.
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If I go to Dublin on Flybe, I still use my driving licence as ID :)

I've spent nearly 30 years going backwards and forwards to Dublin from Holyhead with dogs. Prior to the pet passport scheme, there was no requirement for paper work for the dogs and nothing changed in the first few years afterwards. Now, I'm not sure if that was just the typical Irish relaxed attitude to law enforcement but I had a few years break from travelling with the dogs (elderly dog that didn't travel well). A couple of years ago I planned to take current dog with me for a longish holiday and on booking the ferry realised that I needed to passport him. When I checked Irish and UK gov websites, it seemed that requirement was in place from 2011/12ish.

I don't remember having to say at time of booking that I had dogs with me but mine used to stay in the car and I always aimed for the fast ferry (mainly because I get seasick on a pond so the quicker the crossing the better) but by memory, nobody even blinked at the dogs either side of the water. In fairness, I was never asked for any documents either...
 
dogatemysalad said:
There has never been a requirement for passports for pets or humans travelling to Ireland and after Brexit this will not change for UK citizens so it would be odd if restrictions were placed on dogs.
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What on earth makes you think that? If there is no deal, that will be the reality, except of course that there is nothing set up on either side to enforce it.

I guess that your children were travelling to Ireland *after* we joined the Common Market/EU - a no deal Brexit will change all that - that is why many people voted to remain.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
What on earth makes you think that? If there is no deal, that will be the reality, except of course that there is nothing set up on either side to enforce it.
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The Garda have set up another armed border force as of today, and are training up more officers for when Brexit happens, due to already increased criminal and dissident activity, and a rise in smuggling, which includes puppy farmed dogs. Now while I doubt that they will be too worried about a family pooch being taken to the beach for a day out, the reality is that if they stop your car and check, you may well find you need the paperwork, so it makes sense to sort it out rather than assume that "nothing will change". Rather a lot already has :confused:
 
Pearlsasinger said:
What on earth makes you think that? If there is no deal, that will be the reality, except of course that there is nothing set up on either side to enforce it.

I guess that your children were travelling to Ireland *after* we joined the Common Market/EU - a no deal Brexit will change all that - that is why many people voted to remain.
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There's always been free movement between Ireland and UK even before Common Market/ EU. It's the reason that as an Irish Passport holder I don't need to apply to remain/have any restrictions on residence in UK after Brexit. Same rules as Jersey/Guernsey/Isle of Man
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance

It does appear that this probably won't apply to pets though!
 
cbmcts said:
There's always been free movement between Ireland and UK even before Common Market/ EU. It's the reason that as an Irish Passport holder I don't need to apply to remain/have any restrictions on residence in UK after Brexit. Same rules as Jersey/Guernsey/Isle of Man
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance

It does appear that this probably won't apply to pets though!
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However, if there is No Deal, there is no guarantee that anything will go back to how it was before we joined the EU.
 
"After the UK leaves the EU, you will continue to enjoy these rights, no matter what the terms of the UK’s exit. Both the UK and Irish Governments have committed to taking all necessary measures to ensure that the agreed CTA rights and privileges are protected in all outcomes."

Quote from the link above - both governments have confirmed this.
 
dogatemysalad said:
There are no plans to make passports for UK citizens mandatory after brexit.
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Oh ffs we are talking about dogs :rolleyes:

dogatemysalad said:
There has never been a requirement for passports for pets or humans travelling to Ireland and after Brexit this will not change for UK citizens so it would be odd if restrictions were placed on dogs.
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Rowreach said:
Oh ffs we are talking about dogs :rolleyes:
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Don't be unpleasant. There's no need. My post that you quoted, mentioned passports for people and dogs. Neither have required passports and if the Irish government wishes to make pet passports compulsory after we leave the EU, that is their right. However, both Ireland and the UK have been rabies free for 120 years, so I think insisting on rabies vaccination would not be in the dogs best interests.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
What on earth makes you think that? If there is no deal, that will be the reality, except of course that there is nothing set up on either side to enforce it.

I guess that your children were travelling to Ireland *after* we joined the Common Market/EU - a no deal Brexit will change all that - that is why many people voted to remain.
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Because it has already been agreed. The Irish government does not want Irish citizens to lose the rights they have to live, work and travel in tne UK.
 
dogatemysalad said:
There has never been a requirement for passports for pets or humans travelling to Ireland and after Brexit this will not change for UK citizens so it would be odd if restrictions were placed on dogs.
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dogatemysalad said:
Don't be unpleasant. There's no need. My post that you quoted, mentioned passports for people and dogs. Neither have required passports and if the Irish government wishes to make pet passports compulsory after we leave the EU, that is their right. However, both Ireland and the UK have been rabies free for 120 years, so I think insisting on rabies vaccination would not be in the dogs best interests.
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The thread is about dogs. The link I posted at the start is about official guidance re travelling with dogs between the UK and Ireland in the event of a no deal Brexit. You have quoted practically every comment I have made and related it to humans and passports. I have replied (politely) every time to explain my (fairly obviously dog related) comments. And then I gave up being polite. Sorry.
 
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