Bringing Buzz back to livery...dilemma

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Some of you may recall I turned Buzz away a couple of months ago, to give him a chance to put on weight and hopefully release the jaw spasm that has been a result of his cancer/surgery/radiotherapy.

The good news is that it appears to be doing the job. He is positively fat :D His face looks nearly normal, the atrophy which caused one side of his face to sink dramatically and the lump caused by the spasm and the tumour have all but disappeared. Whether this is a result of time or the turnout or a combination of the two is hard to tell. The vet is thrilled with the progress.

He has unsurprisingly become slightly feral, and now spends quite a lot of time being a bit obnoxious, very playful and if it's raining, a downright s0d. He's got an incredibly sweet pair bond who screams blue murder if Buzz leaves to go hacking.
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He's back in work and seeming to love it. Have been taking him back over the downs (in a headcollar - legend!!) and he's very keen.
This is with the start of the Derby course in the background....really never thought we'd get back to this stage :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBC1bxei-ec

He is due for a CT scan on 6th August, which will tell us if the cancer is responding to the treatment. The hair on his face has definitely responded to the treatment....you can see the lines of the radiation beams where it's turned the hair white:
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In the meantime I'd love to bring him back to proper work, which isn't really possible from the field. There is a grass school but the ground is weather dependant, and 20x40m has always been a bit small for schooling him when he's not particularly fit or balanced. I can't jump there, or do much hacking (he'll need back shoes on which isn't possible while living out).

I've kept my stable at livery, and have the option of bringing him back whenever, which will give me access to schools, lessons, hacking, and transport, which will enable me to ride him frequently.

But - and the inevitable compromise - the turnout will be massively limited. I could probably arrange for him to go out overnight, but it would be on much much less grass than he's on now, or for two slots of three hours during the day. He'd be fed plenty (and is able to eat without too much trouble at all now)but without the benefit of the constant grazing.

It will still be more than he's had in the past but it won't be a question of the constant eating and moving. Coming into summer it may make more sense as it gets hotter to have him stabled during the day, as he's not a fan of flies, and gets sunburnt very easily.

With regards to finding other yards....I could, but having done lots of research on yards in the area, there is a distinct lack of yards that offer the full package. And whilst the grazing is limited at mine, I am forever indebted to them for the care they took of him while he was sick, and I don't think I would want him with people who didn't know about his management and condition from the start.

But generally, it's very much a head vs heart debate.....or more to the point a me vs Buzz. If I leave him turned out I know he'll be happy and keep getting fatter, and generally live a very relaxed and happy life.....but potentially I'll never ride him properly again. Or I bring him back, he'll be fine - maybe not as fat, and a diet based more on feed than grass, but we'll have a few months of doing the stuff we enjoy again, before finding out the results in August.

If it's not good news, I won't work him again, and will turn him away until such time as he tells me it's not working anymore.

Have been going round and round in circles about it for weeks, and it's getting to the stage where I'll need to make a decision (won't be able to hold my stable open forever), but I'm no closer to what to do.

I think I'll feel incredibly guilty about bringing him back to livery, but at the same time, I really do feel like I've done everything I possibly can by this horse to get him better, and I would really really love just to have a few months of normality with him.

Any thoughts or suggestions welcome....bravo for getting this far!
 
It is really good to read how well Buzz is getting on. You must be so chuffed!

I don't think either decision would be wrong, but if it was me I would probably be thinking about trying to bring him back into work, fwiw.
 
He is looking an absolute picture of health and that is ALL CREDIT TO YOU! As far as your decision goes I really don't see any harm in giving it a try and moving him back. If it doesn't work then he can head back to live with his chum. I just think that if you don't try you will always be wondering... and I for one cannot wait for the epic report when you get him out!!! xxx
 
I was thinking about you and Buzz just the other day and it's wonderful to reach such a positive report. You and he have been to hell and back and he is very lucky to have you looking after him.

In your shoes, I'd try bringing him back into work/on livery and see how it goes . . . he will soon tell you if he can't cope and then you know you can return him "to the wild" for him to have a happy retirement being fat and content.

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Really pleased for you that he is doing so well. Nothing to add re your dilemma I'm afraid but so pleased he looks so well.
 
What does the vets say to do?

Crack on now or wait till august?

They all want him in work - I think they're all just very pleased with the improvement and think it would do him good to be working. They don't really have strong feelings on whether he's living out or at livery although they're very pleased with the improvement since he's been out.
 
Brilliant news re his recovery and he looks fab!

If it was me I'd bring him back to the livery and start to increase his workload, you can always back off / take him back to the field if it doesn't work.......but you won't know unless you try.....and you've got absolutely nothing to lose!? You could work him without back shoes I would imagine, mine coped fine with just fronts?

Good luck, and enjoy him :-D
 
Personally I'd leave him where he is until his next check up. You're unlikely to want to step up his work too much anyway whilst you're still unsure of the cancer status and it sounds like you can work around the issues during the summer when it's (supposedly!) better weather
 
Firstly, lovely to see Buzz looking fab ... that is a miracle in itself !!

Can you check with vet, bring him back to livery but at first sign of significant weight loss/discomfort then return him to his grazing. I am a huge fan of turnout and would want summer 24/7 turnout but maybe in overnight in winter - but I know it can be hard to get the best of both worlds.

Can you return him to his grazing if livery doesn't work out?
 
It seems a bit all or nothing. Either no turn out at all or all turn out and no schooling. Isn't there a compromise? Are there no yards around that have decent turn out but with a school to use? Could you box him to a school? Could you take him back to your yard school in evening, stay overnight, school in morning then back to field for a couple of days?

Seems a shame that the turn out is seemingly doing so much good for him to give it up entirely. Although I do completely get where you are coming from!
 
Unfortunately turn out is massively limited in the area - most of the yards have restrictions, mainly due to the lack of available land.

Re: boxing to a school....unfortunately I have no lorry license, no lorry, and he's a terrible loader :p It's a 45 minute hack each way to my yard, which is doable, but not without back shoes (he doesn't cope on the stony tracks or roads without backs).

My worry on doing a bit of both is that he'd be at the mercy of a mixed up routine, and two herds, which isn't really fair on him.
 
Personally I'd leave him where he is until his next check up. You're unlikely to want to step up his work too much anyway whilst you're still unsure of the cancer status and it sounds like you can work around the issues during the summer when it's (supposedly!) better weather

These were my first thoughts on it too.. I think I would be leaving him where he is until your check-up in August and then we-assessing the situation. If all is well (and fingers crossed it is!) you could return to livery then and in the mean time just keep doing what you are doing. He looks really well at the moment and I personally would be wary of changing anything until you have more idea of how the cancer is responding.
 
I can only say what I would do if he was mine/it was Frank

I'd leave him where he was and enjoy hacking him about a bit until august and take it from there with the scan, I'd be reluctant to move him back to livery, to find he struggles if not on the grass and then have to move him again when he has been through a lot. On the basis that either the scan will be good, in which case there isn't a huge rush to get going doing everything again as there will be time or bad in which case you might be looking at moving him to a grass livery retirement situ anyway if that makes sense.

how come back shoes are a no if he is turned out?
 
Personally I'd leave him where he is until you get the results in August as you may end up moving him to the yard and then moving him back to the grazing in August if it isn't good news (although I'm keeping everything crossed that it is good news!).
 
Re: back shoes....it's a field rule, the rest are bare foot, and there can be some argy bargy, so safer for everyone if Buzz isn't supplied with weaponry!

I've tried boots on him but he's not overly comfortable in them enough for anything more than trot.

I do see the point about leaving him till the scan....it's just at the back of my mind this might be the last chance I'll have to ride him, and even if it's only three months I'd really love to take the chance.
 
Personally I would be hacking and building up fitness properly now, he will get better on surfaces the more that you do. He has been through a lot so taking the time now to hack and enjoy him surely is better? Esp if he is happy and loving his current routine?
 
If it was me I would leave him where he is. He's happy and healthy. I would not risk him going backwards now. He seems to be doing incredibly well on 24/7 grazing.
With the big C being the unpredictable beast that it is I would want to know that IF the worst should happen at least you will know he's had a great summer.
Just my opinion and well done for standing by your lovely horse.
 
It's not a yard - just a field, with the owners' horses and one livery....I don't mind at all, it's very tricky to get him shod there as there's no hard standing, and he doesn't need backs on just to be in the field.
 
well a field, or anyone like that, just know lots of shod horses turned out together.

I think it depends how much you are doing with him/what hacking options are then with regards to how he does without hinds, only you can tell that otherwise boots might be an option - though iirc fitting backs can be a little trickier as they aren't as round. (I use easyboot bares in front on Frank at times with very few issues - basically only when he tried to keep up with a racehorse and it was because they didn't come off that they broke a bit!)
 
As long as you can go back to the field if it doesn't work out I would take him back to the livery. BUT at the first sign of him not coping, move him back.

Until you've tried it you are always going to be wondering if he could cope with more, he looks super at the moment so now would be the right time to try it. I hope whatever you decide works out well :)
 
Personally I'd leave him where he is until his next check up. You're unlikely to want to step up his work too much anyway whilst you're still unsure of the cancer status and it sounds like you can work around the issues during the summer when it's (supposedly!) better weather

Great news that he's doing so well.

I agree with TheMule and would leave him living out and work around that.

Could you use boots on hinds to get to schools etc? If the tracks are that rough presume you'd be in walk so that'll make the twisting less of an issue. Cavallo Sport and Trek come in narrower fittings so might offer a tighter fit.

Good luck whatever you decide and wishing you both the best.
 
So pleased he is doing so well - If it were me and my big lad - I would not care if i never sat on him again, I would just want him grazing in the field - but that's no help to you sorry.

Good luck whatever you decide
:)
 
I would get to august and a check up from the field, and be as much of a hacker until then, and then see how he copes back at livery. Your yard sounds fantastic with the commitment to care, so hopefully buzz could maintain his condition and have the bonus of being worked well to boot
 
Personally I'd leave him where he is until his next check up. You're unlikely to want to step up his work too much anyway whilst you're still unsure of the cancer status and it sounds like you can work around the issues during the summer when it's (supposedly!) better weather

This. It's only just over two month away. Can you hack from your field? After all he's had, if he were mine, he'd be having this time to chill then, once I'd had the August results, then I'd be considering my next steps with him.
 
When I read the title on the New Posts page, my immediate thought was leave him where he is.

Having read your post, I'd say go back to WR. I know how happy you both are there, and it is about both of you. Can he have some time loose on the Chase perhaps to get grass?

Lots of love xx
 
If you move back to your yard and can turn him him out all night then I'd try this first, and have him in with ad lib forage. He looks fab, and clearly enjoying h is work again.
 
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