BRITISH MINITURE SPRING SHOW

[lease2412]

While on hols in somerset at the weekend i decided to visit the miniture spring show as i have been thinking of investing in one to show for my son.
the venue was lovely. the morning was interesting been able to watch them been measured, the showing started off great (i could see why the winner won) a beautiful well turned out stallion but after winning his 2nd class (a qualifier) a complaint was put in about his height (he had measured in that morning and has a jmb cert saying so) after which he was striped of his qualification and rossettes and made to re-measure in the middle of the show ground (been a stallion he had puffed himself out and grown to 16hands). what i cant understand is how can any horse measure in in the morning and be brought out of the ring to be re-measured in the afternoon?? surely in this situation the owners should of been informed of the complaint in wrighting and then been asked to bring the horse back for re-measuring at a differant venue on a differant day and been done 3 times throughout the day and then taken the average height of these??
it has made me think twice about buying one to show or atleast about buying a good one because i can only come to the conclusion that all this fuss is over the stallion winning a qualifier that some one else thought they should have qualified for? but i wouldnt of been happy to qualify in 2nd place after gettng the winner removed to be moved up from 3rd. would anybody else feel the same way?? views please im very confused on how this was handled.

 

[girla]

Ditto, but unfortunately the showing world is very much like that. I showed Welsh D's for years and believe me the goings on that went on in the ring was unbelievable.

I was at a medal show once and witnessed a very well known judge being thanked personaly by the person who he placed 1st & then went on to give him the championship. I later found out that the horse he was showing had be bought from the judge 3 days before the show. To be honest showing is still very much who you know and not what you know, i was down the line for many years because i would not kiss A&£e, with persistance i started to come up the line and had many wins under my belt. In all the years i showed i enjoyed it and let the other so called professionals get on with it, but be warned showing is very competetive and not always in a good way.

 

[Stinkbomb]

With the British miniature society a JMB certificate means diddly squat

They have to be measured at the begining of every show. If a complaint is put in then yes unfortunalty the measuring in the morning means nothing, If they measure out the second time they measure out end of.

They have rules and if people dont like them they just dont show.

Please dont let this out you off buying a miniature

To be able to compete at this show you would have to buy a BMHS registered mini and pay the associated showing levies etc to be able to qualify for RIHS and HOYS. The BMHS is the ONLY miniature society where you can do these qualifiers

What level of showing do you wish to do?? There are many miniature societies to show under including IMHPS, MHCGB, AEMHS, IMHR, EMHA, AMHA....

You wont be able to qualify for HOYS but they all do their own championship shows. Let me know what kind of things you were wanting to do with your mini and ill advise you whats out there for you!!

p.s. do you know the name of the stallion measured out?? PM me if you prefere!

 

[lease2412]

i just dont understand how a horse can measure in in the morning rightfully show then be ''measured out'' in the afternoon as you say. do stallion owners not want them to puff out so to speak and really show themselves off?? surely trying to measure in the middle of a show ground is the worst possible place to try and be re-measured?

can just anyone go round and measure them or is there officials their to do this??
if this mini measures in again at his next show then should he get his qualifier back that he lost?
is it not time to follow others with regards to complaints and been called back to re-measure at a differant day/venue??
sorry i dont know the name of the mini but he was a black & white (i dont know if this helps you?)
i was thinking of looking for one to start showing small league but have enough about it to go further if my son enjoyed showing, but as i said before this has made me think twice about it.

 

[Stinkbomb]

Unfortunalty this is one of the rules of the BMHS. The measurements are done by an official from the BMHS and according to their rules should be done infront of the owner and person making the complaint. They take three further measurements and average them out. If they measure out that particular day then they wont be able to compete in any other classes as the maximum height for BMHS is 34". They can however try at another show and if they measure in, they can show!

This does not happen very often i can assure you and is NOT a reflection on how other societies work. Many other societies accept minis upto 38" and even 42" and dont measure unless there is a complaint. It happens in other societies NOT just miniature ones.

The BMHS is only ONE miniature society, there are soooo many to show under. please dont let this put you off! At this moment i dont show under the BMHS, and i have oodles of fun!!

 

[lease2412]

i understand that if they measure out their not able to compete in any other classes after that. but should this mini have been striped of its winnings and qualifier when it had been measured in for these classes just before they started??? these classes were in the morning and he measured out while waiting for the championship in the afternoon. if 3 measurments are taken when a complaint is made and the average been taken then surley this stallion had one more measurement to be taken?? (ie 1st before classes 2nd after the complaint 3rd been taken some time before the championship). sorry about all the questions but i dont have a rule book etc.

 

[Stinkbomb]

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if 3 measurments are taken when a complaint is made and the average been taken then surley this stallion had one more measurement to be taken?? (ie 1st before classes 2nd after the complaint 3rd been taken some time before the championship)

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The three measurements are taken all at once. i.e. three in the morning and then if required to be remeasured three again and the average taken

Im not sure what happened here but thats how its supposed to be taken

Here is the rules ( although they dont go into great detail

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BMHS

Please dont let this put you off, minis are so much fun and TBH the BMHS are a law unto themselves

 

[lease2412]

as a not yet owner of a mini but a some what nervous one i dont want to buy some thing that i could travel 200miles with, win some classes and get a complaint made and be measured out because of been successfull how unfair whould that be.

most classes have hight restrictions on them, if i had an offical document that say it was 87cms then how could i show in the classes for the bigger mini's with their height restrictions.
if somebody goes to the hassle and expence of getting it measured by a unbiased organasiaion then surley in the 21st century this should be taken as it's height as with any other showing body/classes and everybody singing off the same hym sheet so to speak.
i just feel sorry for this mini's owner as i feel that had this stallion not been so successfull then no complaint would of been made in the first place.

im beginning to think your right in bmhs are a law unto themselves

 

[Stinkbomb]

Yes your right and i can see your point and agree entirely!! However no mini organisation accepts JMB certificates

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Really there are so many other mini societies to show under that are fun

Whereabouts are you?? If you want i can list some other mini shows nearby you where you could go and watch and make your mind up then. Dont be put off by the first show you go too!!

 

[brendaelizabeth]

bmhs do have The exclusive shows as In the RIHS and HOYS it is a very small pond in comparrison to IMHPS i think due the fact of costs as it is made really difficult to actualy reg anything with them and then everybody has to pay showing fees on top of memeberships and then if you win a HOYS QUAL then you can get favourable conditions ref stud book status that you couldnt get purley on your horses lineage even if proven ? to normal horsey people most of the rules would seem laughable but a lot of mini owners are not horsey at all, so may be just told and lead to believe what is what ? as more knowledgable people get mini hooked then hope fully things will get put onto an even keal and as you rightly say sing fronm the same hyme sheet , ref JMB , i personlly feel that if any owner of horse has gone and got a JMB on their own merit , then as it is an official document im sure in a legal situation it would stand (as there is only one independant measuring official the jmb !!)! it would a cheaper option to use if you are allowed to enter travel . stable and then get told you cant compete because your horse is in show condition ready to "" show off " i find the situation you discribed difficult to understand as you state the horse won two classes and had previously measured then was measured whist the show was still going on , that is NOT BMHS rules , as it states any re measure will be doen at the END of the show i do agree there seemes no point at all measuring pre competion at the showgrund if it is to be so easiy challenged and yes im sure that there would have been no remeasurement had the horse not won ? and i also agree the arcadian actions of measuring in puplic places and on different terrain and conditions like showgrounds are positivly ludicrous to be fair , especially if you have a up to height mini , not forgettig the liabily angle should someone get hurt or an incident happen during these proceedings ?surly common sence will prevail and the minis will ge their act to gether

 

[brendaelizabeth]

i believe the AEMHS does recognise the JMB cert obviously a forward thinking mini society lets hope the others follow suit !! taking into account all but BMHS dont measure on the day unless showing in amha classes , yes stinkbomb is absolutly right dont be put off and dont be pesuaded to buy a really small mini if its not what you are looking for / happy mini shopping and showing