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Would you use a tb mare as a broodmare for sporthorses?

She is a very good jumper, the person who tried her before I bought her jumped her over 1.20m at 3!! She won the P(UK) Northern Masters Sj Novice and was 5th in Open in 2000, we're always on the RC SJ team and she's done well in WH classes. She's jumped BN & Disc on ticket and jumped Double clears. Due to lack of transport and £, we never did anything more than local/county, though she's more than capable of it.

Trouble is she's got a very low head carriage (neck is set on a little low), and she's also built downhill, her hindlegs look longer than her front, however I think that the angles hip-buttock and shoulder are good for jumping and I think she also has good hindlegs too.... Her sire is Handsome Sailor and he's sired NH and Flat winners, and as I recntly found out from Volatis his sire line is responsible for Lauries Crusador and on my mares dam side are two horses also related to Lauries Crusador. Sorry the pics aren't good (and yes I know my daughter should be wearing a hat)
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This is her foal (yearling) by HG's stallion Lohekey Helios De Bornival
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as a foal at a few days old:
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Yay! Got a bay from 2 greys! What are the chances?!?!

She is in foal to my colt but I'm wondering whether to bring her back into work and loan her out or carry on breeding from her after she's had this foal.........
 
As a general answer TB mares are a great asset to any breeding program if they are of sporthorse type.

Difficult to judge her or her yearlings conformation from those pictures. I would say that the best answer would be to get her graded and see what the judging panel think as to her suitability as a broodmare. The fact she has done a little competing under saddle is all in her favour.
 
Agree with Volatis there -- with one extra proviso. Do not think that by using a big/heavy stallion on her you can add bone, subtance and height in one stroke! The mitochondrial DNA of the mare is what usually controls what Europeans describe as the fundament (overall stregth and structure of the frame and legs) and if the mare lacks bone the foal often will do so too -- but in addition will have the more substantial body, head and neck of the sire :-(. Many beginner breeders made this mistake about 20 years ago (sadly some still do today) so my advice would be to try to concentrate on the eventing -- rather than dressage or showjumping -- market and use a good 3/4 TB or Trakehner sire if you do not want to go 100% TB becuase she might need a little more movement for the dressage stage.
 
I have a T/B mare which i graded with Hannovarian studbook, she is a smallish mare with a huge trot! Her first foal was by Broadstone west country and he was a lovely well built chap who has gone showing with Lynn Russel, her 2nd foal by Classic Juan was more dressagey but i havn't seen a recent pic of her but at the foal show the German's liked her, her 3rd foal is imo far her best to date for me by Don Ricoss, she is strong yet elegant, a walk any dressage rider would die for, cadence in her trot and a lovely canter, she has certinally got something about her so i have repeated this covering as it worked!! The Germans love T/B just look at Chase the Ace, i dont the the exact figures but i would place money on him being used more in Germany than he was in the UK. Oneday when i can afford to keep one of her foals and cover that again with a warmblood i reckon then the combination will work at it's very best.
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bit brighter - she's 4 months in foal and looks huge!
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I agree that I should take her to a grading (no idea which/who) if I were to use her as a broodmare, just wondered whether to bother really. I wouldn't dream of crossing her to anything too heavy - have seen some awful foals from people that have tried that! luckily she's not very fine and has a broad chest and deep girth for a tb, most people think she's crossed with ID.

I can't prove any of her comp record as it's all unaffiliated.
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usless they'll accept a sash with her name on...... lol

so q is...... shall I spend £ getting her graded and with whom shall I attempt to grade her?
 
SHB dont have a problem with TB mares both of my first mares graded with them and they were 15.1 and 15.2 one TB one 1/2 bred.
Both had competition records and head stud book graded.
SHB will grade race mares .
 
I would say SHB as well, They will give you very detailed feed back on her strong and weak points so if you decide to continue breeding from her, it should help you in future stallion selections. Its not overly expensive either
 
Spoken to SHB who were very helpful as always, and there is a grading near me on 20th Sept........ yikes..... can I get her ready in time?1
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, the brighter pics were taken toady in the field and she looks too fat to me..... easier to take her this year with no foal than next year with foal at foot, and am I right in thinking I can upgrade Kaos' passport with SHB(GB) if I wanted assuming she graded HG?

ok panic..... what do i need to do? Bath and plait? It's just a stand up then trot up isn't it? wear shirt with dark pants and do I need a tweed on? Gloves?
 
The grading I went to on Tuesday everyone I saw was wearing normal tweed showing gear. But that was held at the Hunter Show, but I would have thought that was the norm for SHB.
Bath, plait and trim as though doing a showing class. I didnt do much prep with my broodmare as she lives out with the other broodmares so not a lot I could have done to her.
 
NG if she is looking well in herself then grade her, as everyone else has said the SHB are a good option. Also good TB mares are very popular in sportshorse breeding. One of the new mares we purchased this year is half TB by Prince Thatch, although she has Hanoverian papers.

Good luck and keep us posted.........
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We held a SHB(GB) grading at ours last year and it was very informal but if I was attending an away grading, then you definitley need to wear pants and a shirt and preferably a jacket and hat! Just give the mare a good bath and plait her up! The SHB judges are lovely and we had a team of 5 working on my 14 mares at our grading and they came in and said oh don;t worry about keep brushing them we can see past some dirt, which I thought was very nice! The mares just had to stand for the conformation assessment and then walk up and back and trot up and back, then trot around the arena, it was all very simple! Yes if your mare grades you can send your yearlings passport in and he will be upgraded onto the full studbook
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ditto Anastacia take her along to the SHB (GB) have a really good look at the feedback provided and don't be shy to ask questions.... We have a lot of TB in our mares you have to have the blood for the stamina, we have one mare that is out of a No Ski (Nininsky x Nijinsky) damline by Scandic (Solos carex) who also has lots of blood. She is an out and out athlete and hope she will carry forwards the blood to her foals.
 
They accepted a couple of TB, AA & Arabs into the Trak stud book today. I was also talking to someone who has had her TB mare graded with the Hanoverian society. If you have a Weatherby reg TB mare, seems you are not restricted to just the SHBS. If Mo had not come along I would have stuck with a pprd TB mare. Oops just seen an earlier post mentioning a TB mare grading with the Hanoverians.
 
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