BSJA and WHIPS!

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Ok so those who compete bsja will know as a rule you over use your whip you'll get a shout out at the end of your round to visit the judges box...

However...

Does anyone else feel like in some cases judges aren't calling people up on this rule? I've witnessed some shocking displays whilst out recently and find it equally as shocking the judges aren't reacting or at least not as much as they used to or would at other venues.

Maybe I'm getting over sensitive as I get older!

Any thoughts???
 
It ws always like that.If you think its bad in the ring go round the back in the practice ring.The stewards are there to see fair play.Don't make me laugh.
 
I think it's a case of different judges having different ideas about what overuse of the whip means. I've seen people pulled up for ridiculously small incidents at one show and others let get away with appalling behaviour at other shows. It's quite bizarre.
 
Agree, totally. We were spectating at a BS show as we were taken part in an event at the same show (not jumping) and were disgusted by the whole thing. There were certain kids who whacked their pony before the bell went then continued to whack them.......the ones who did the best however were the quieter riders but no one pulled the evil brats up for their dreadful behaviour. With hindsight I should have made a complaint but it's endemic in the sj world I suspect.
 
horsemadmum1 said:
With hindsight I should have made a complaint but it's endemic in the sj world I suspect.
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No it is not endemic in the SJ world! There are people in all disciplines who are too ready to zealously use the whip which is wrong. Some judges call riders to the box regularly & others do it less often this is down to individual discretion. Painting SJ riders like this "on your suspicions' is disgraceful! :(
 
amandap said:
Strangely, I was reading this only yesterday.

http://www.equinescienceupdate.com/...EE)&utm_campaign=CCAug13FREE&utm_medium=email
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Intersting. When I jumped (only locally) I always carried a whip, because I was told it was correct dress even if it wasn't used, & never questioned it. Now I don't jump, I never carry a whip, however I ride forward going horses. A few years ago I rode a cob, & found I really wanted a stick. I don't know if he was truly lazy or it was the best he could do, but it felt as though I din't get his full attention. For safety I'd probably carry a whip again unless I knew the horse I was going to ride was forward going. IMHO the pros are riding higher quality, more forward going animals who don't need chasing.
 
pip6 said:
IMHO the pros are riding higher quality, more forward going animals who don't need chasing.
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I wonder if rider experience and horse training is a factor. How a horse responds to aids is down to training surely? Fitness is also a factor.
 
A lot of it is about being big fish in small ponds. One of our local show centres has an 'in house' judge who is paid to be there. The abuse of the whip, spurs, and bit at times is horrendous, but when a local 'pro' turns up with six horses more blind eyes are turned that at a guide dog training day. Really pisses me off, BUT if you want to do something about it here's how.... Record each inciddent that you see, either in the ring or in the warm up. Make a note of venue, date and time, and send the info to BS. They probably won't do anything regarding the riders, because it is just heresay but they may well remind judges and stewards of their duty of care in respect of the welfare of the horse, and to the public image of the association.
Personally I love it when they turn up at one of my RC shows to 'sort something out', because I simply will not tolerate it, and I don't care who they are or how many horses they've got on the wagon.I often wonder though, if that's what they'll do in public, what on earth can they be doing at home. It's very telling when a horse refuses and almost goes in to melt down because they're expecting the thrashing they'd get if they stopped at home. I'm no fluffy bunny, and I totally get that a jumping horses job is to jump, but I'd rther my horses were educated in to going forwards rather than terrified.
 
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That study was only showing a correlation - not a causal relationship. Thers no way of knowing if the horses whose riders carried whipe would have done even worse if they hadnt carried it or if the good horses wouldnt have done as well if their riders did carry it. people on horses who dont jump well are possibly also more likely to feel they ened to carry a whip.
 
If you can film it and put on youtube or email to the bsja or the riding club committee or whatever.Wasn't around in my day.As for the kids, yes they may be evil brats or they may simply have a loving daddy waiting to batter them if they make a mistake.Plenty of that goes on as well.
 
coffeeandabagel said:
That study was only showing a correlation - not a causal relationship. Thers no way of knowing if the horses whose riders carried whipe would have done even worse if they hadnt carried it or if the good horses wouldnt have done as well if their riders did carry it. people on horses who dont jump well are possibly also more likely to feel they ened to carry a whip.
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Its not carrying a whip or even appropriate use of the whip that's an issue.Its misuse of the whip.
 
When I was jumping bsja about 10 years ago there was a rule brought in, I think it was maximum 3 uses of the whip at each jump. Is this being ignored?
 
Toby_Zaphod said:
No it is not endemic in the SJ world! There are people in all disciplines who are too ready to zealously use the whip which is wrong. Some judges call riders to the box regularly & others do it less often this is down to individual discretion. Painting SJ riders like this "on your suspicions' is disgraceful! :(
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Actually the behaviour we witnessed was disgraceful, and I am entitled to my opinion/suspicions, I have seen plenty of ill treatment at other events but none as blatant as this. Also my concern is-if that is how the child behaves in public what on earth are they doing behind the scenes. Also agree that the parents are often piling on the pressure and also should be making sure the child is brought up to treat their pony respectfully.
 
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