BSJA Five Star Performance Awards

Seems a bit informal, unneccessary & confusing, not great guidelines as to what * level you are. Not convinced
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So would it be like a test within a lesson? ie. you attend a specific day for your * level and if the trainer thinks your good enough then you achieve your level?? confused.....! Or is it just within normal training? I get regular training from a BSJA accredited coach so could it be done within my usual training?
 
Mmm not great is it!

I would have said to start with I would have started at *star - however, reading on I could probably do ****star or even *****star - equally tho I wouldnt want to go to a *****star and be asked to jump an international track LMAO
 
Our Bronze and Silver training in the Area was suspended pending the launch of this new initiative. Not sure I really know what to make of it tbh. I just want to go to the odd clinic that my area put on, and compete in the normal way. What next...you must certified to min 3* before you can compete
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Who knows where it's going...
 
Can't really see the point.

Have actually just been sitting trying to fill out BSJA forms for Lex and I - the whole thing is very confusing!

Can't remember whether BE was this bad the first time I did it.
 
Yep agree Sarah!

Filled out all mine yesterday and got a phone call to say that i had missed bits off :smirk however all done and they are completing my application today YAY

All set for sunday now
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Can't really see the point.

Have actually just been sitting trying to fill out BSJA forms for Lex and I - the whole thing is very confusing!

Can't remember whether BE was this bad the first time I did it.

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The BSJA forms are dreadful. They have tried to use too few forms to achieve too many things. And they lack loads of important information like costs etc
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Thank goodness it isn't just me being thick!!

Costs have got me totally stuck - if I am claiming 50% off for being a new member, does that apply to Lexi's fee as well or just to mine?

Also if I am claiming the £20 off for 'join a friend' because I happen to have a friend who is already affiliated, is that instead of, or as well as the 50% above?

Also, if Lex was imported from Ireland as a 3 year-old, does that count as 'imported'? If so, do the winnings automaticaly attributed count from age at import (ie £0) or her age now (ie £100)?

And does a passport count as identification or does she have to be seperately identified by one of their pannel members?

Aaaagggh!
 
I think its a good idea.. much easier to organise and do, more accessible to part time riders etc.

Sounds a bit elementary though.. are the people at 1* level gonna actually be able to get round a BN?? if not then why would they want to reg... just to pass the 1*...

As usual think it needs a bit of rider input and more though behind it!!
 
Its like Macdonalds - do you think we will get badges to put our stars on?

I think they may have got the levels wrong, as from the description I would say I was 5 star, but I'm not a 5 star rider - just average if that makes sense. And would a 1 star rider be doing BSJA?

Sillymare - your passport is fine, also it may be a better deal joining as a RC member as you get a discounteed rate for 2 years - ask LEC as she joined recently
 
Well, if it's like MacDonalds (mmmmm....did I mention the two big macs AND nuggets lol!), then we'll all have suitable uniforms to pin the stars onto....in the form of the new jackets
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Seriously though, I fear they may end up grading the stars according to the heights people jump...which would be complete b*ll*x, as style, technique and understanding of how to bring on a youngster are just as important as the heights at which people jump. There are many presumptions in that statement, but it would be an easy, and imo foolish route to go down.

What's more concerning is that people are being driven down the route of using BSJA Accredited Coaches to further themselves. We have two accredited coaches, and two more coming through the system in our area...to get signed off for the relevant star rating it seems everyone in our area will end up signing to those couple of coaches with the appropriate accreditation and we're not looking at a single 1 hr session either...but more of an ongoing relationship with those coaches.

Personally I don't know of anyone on the circuit who wouldn't consider themselves to be at level 3 or 4, and most would probably say they were level 4 or 5 from the descriptions given by the BSJA
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Oh God - so are we going to have to HAVE this grading? And like you said, what about people who simply enjoy young horses and never go beyond NC as they train well adn sell on?
 
I've done one Bronze level training and the accredited coach stood in the middle smoking and mumbling the whole time and I don't think anyone got anything out of it. If he had removed his fag from his mouth for more than 5 seconds we might have understood what he was saying but it was probaly the worst lesson I had ever had. So I for one will not be signing up for the star system and they can't make me.

The lady I train with is very good, well known but not a BSJA coach, but as she makes me ride better I'll keep spending my money with her.
 
Ifyou can prove she was imported as a 3 yo they will grade her accordingley, otherwise they'll do it on her current age. However if they do this you can ask them to investigate any record in Ireland which will come back negative.
 
Thanks.

Lex just came from Ireland so no importation papers as such. I do have her vetting form from Gorsebridge sale though and can probably find my receipt somewhere.

All very complicated isn't it!!
 
To be brutally honest, I think you'll find the BSJA grading her according to her age now (how old is she ?)....and the onus being on you to prove she has no winnings elsewhere
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Lex just came from Ireland so no importation papers as such. I do have her vetting form from Gorsebridge sale though and can probably find my receipt somewhere.

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Presumably the Passport was issued in the UK then? If so surely you can register as unknown origin? When I bought my last horse about 5 years ago it was before passports came in and she had no paperwork, was supposed to be IDxTB and from Ireland as a youngster, but I had no proof of this. When I had her passport done with Wetherby's (the cheapest at the time!). It listed breeding unknown, age unkown(approx year of birth only!), country of origin unknown. When I registered her with the BD there was no questions asked, but this was about 3 years ago so maybe things have chnaged!
 
Lex has an ISH passport issued in Dublin but you are right about the vaccines - that would proove she was in the UK as a 3 year old.

She is 5 now so assigned winnings wouldn't be too bad but still, I would rather not have them.

Am going to send it off and hope for the best - I'm sure they will call me if there is a problem.
 
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I just sent an email off to the address listed on the press release (training@bsja.co.uk) requesting more info and it came back as undeliverable
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They obviously haven't set up the mail addy yet as well as not putting the documents referred to up on their website.

Come on BSJA...you can do better than this
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My main concern is the differing quality of coaching from BSJA registered coaches. Some really aren't that good at explaining things as being a good rider does not mean you are automatically a good trainer. This was seen in the bronze, silver etc system where in some areas quite a few riders went through and in others this did not happen. The criteria was not clear either to the trainer or the member. Having said that I'm not sure what the answer is. I do agree that the star rating system does seem rather blurred around which level you are at. The other point it is very subjective if you go to a trainer for grading - how will the BSJA ensure that all trainers are working to the same standards. Yet again I feel the BSJA have shot themselves in the foot. On a lighter note - the badges will probably go very nicely on the new BSJA jackets!
 
The point of the BSJA accredited coaches was surely that they will all have received training from people who have been passed by Di Lampard (head of Coaching) as "singing from the same hymn sheet as Lars Sederholm". But of course some will be more skilled than others at communicating with their trainees. It sounds a little more thorough than the Bronze level training. And I've always been in favour of people having to pass equitation tests as in Germany & Switzerland before being allowed to compete!
 
Yes, but the whole point about being a coach is that you CAN get your point across. There are plenty of good riders out there, but good coaches are few and far between imo
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Agreed and I would have thought Di would be a decent judge of whether the candidates to become accredited coaches are up to the required level of teaching. However maybe some people's standards slip after a while, and I guess like all teacher/student relationships there will be better rapport between some pairs than others.
 
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