Bucking, Bronking and rearing - How should you deal with it?

It depends a bit on the horse and the degree of what it is doing. Largely, I aim to manage them so they not overfresh in the first place. In the winter, if they are clipped, don't let them get cold and wind up the tail. Make sure all tack is comfortable. Then I try to ignore and not give them the opportunity by keeping them moving (strongly) forward, making them work and keeping them occupied ie "don't let it happen, be two steps ahead of them". But with some horses, either because they are bold and strong and excitable, or they are scatty and wont to lose their heads or because they have just been allowed to develop bad habits by previous riders, I would say "broncing" type behaviour (and rearing but I haven't really had a rearer) is simply unacceptable as it is bad manners and could result in an accident, and they need a strategic sharp reminder with a whip. I don't do it often (because if you ride them purposefully and educate them well this type of behaviour should never become a problem in the first place) but have on occasion with the odd horse basically given them a good wallop behind the leg. I aim for one, really hard whack, perhaps a double whack no more but it needs to be well timed the minute they start the behaviour and very decisive so there is no doubt that it means NO!! STOP NOW!! NOT ACCEPTABLE! Don't be half hearted though, tickling with the whip will just set them off more and achieve nothing. I have done this to good effect with several horses, one in particular, a youngster I bought who was generally lovely (if excitable) but who it transpired just used to stand and do handstands for minutes at a time regularly through sheer excitement at the beginning of a hack, dangerous for a weaker rider who might come off, dangerous for those around who she might kick by mistake. I decided one day shortly after getting her that enough was enough, armed myself with a whip, walloped her once the second she started. She stopped dead, clearly surprised at what had happened, recovered her brains and her manners and quite literally never tried the same thing again from that day onwards. I was so pleased I had tackled it head on rather than letting the habit become engrained. Another I had used to quietly creep behind the leg when schooling until he felt able to launch into a giant space hopper impression to avoid having to work any more. The approach with him was twofold, keep him strongly forward, especially at the start of work, and if that failed and he still managed the vertical lift off then he got a good wallop too. He was well able to buck me off though due to general bounciness and roundness so if he was having a fresh spell I would ride him in a neck strap just in case. It didn't take long for him to become absolutely perfectly behaved "butter wouldn't melt" when I tacked up with a neck strap on, but if I forgot, back to his cheeky tricks. He knew exactly what he was doing, thought it a great game! Oh and of course, it goes without saying, when they move off sensibly and settle down, absolutely release the pressure, give some praise and reward the good way of going. Timing is everything.

Occasionally if they are trying to p*** off I might pull them up and make them stop dead but generally trying to make a fresh or naughty horse stand is a recipe for disaster and possibly more dangerous antics. Keep them moving, forwards, sideways in a circle or whatever, keep the head up firmly and if you do both those effectively, there is actually very little they can do. Horses are flight animals, restricting their movement will make them more anxious and possibly cause them to panic.

No doubt people will come along and say but you shouldn't hit them. I would argue that very clearly curtailing the behaviour in a big strong animal is clearly only in its best interests. Always being firm but fair. Letting bad habits become ingrained prejudices their future.
 
Completely agree with that, if im honest my mare gets a quick half halt and a shout or tap with the short wip or leg. Something to snap her out of it, and she realises straight away she has to stop. but she has another rider who is more gentle so she wont stop if you dont reprimand her if that makes sense

I don't think shouting does anything for a bucking horse.
Mine wouldnt dream of bucking regardless of who was on his back because he was made to believe that the world was ending when he tried, so now it doesnt even cross his mind. I do regularly let a 7yr old who's legs don't come past the saddle flaps ride him and his manners are such that he is an angel for her.
 
Shouting tells the horse you're not in control. Whatever you do, do it calmly. What I do is

Bucking/bronking: Sit up and kick on with a growled 'stop that you prat'
Rearing: First offence, pull down and around and ask forward with no fuss at all. Repeated, which is usually napping - mill them until they go wherever I point them.

That said, mine are ponies, not sharp thoroughbreds or huge great sports horses. If you are over-horsed, you need to get someone in who knows what they're doing. The last thing you want to do is break your neck, or teach your horse he can scare you into giving up.
 
Erm.. "just get them moving forward then praise once they have settled a little and moving forward." not sure what is interesting about rewarding the correct behaviour?

you sound aggravated (please correct me if I’m wrong” but I think it is interesting which is personal opinion. I do the same thing I tend to reward her when she’s relaxed.
I just was told that if you reward them for relaxing after they do something purely naughty. That they aren’t actually aware of the reason you’re rewarding them. They can often be confused and think you are allowing the naughtiness to happen.
in a sense they think “oh she won’t care if I do a buck I’m allowed, I only get praised once I relax”
Hope that makes sense
 
I have been known to shout at mine between the giggling normally as long as I don't feel like I will come off! Have had some strange looks from other people in the past.
 
While I agree that shouting is not a good training aid, I do think it is better to get cross or feign anger and shout than it is to let the horse know that you are afraid.

Fear, i think, either frightens the horse (so who IS in charge here then??) or makes wilful horse take advantage even more.

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you sound aggravated (please correct me if I’m wrong” but I think it is interesting which is personal opinion. I do the same thing I tend to reward her when she’s relaxed.
I just was told that if you reward them for relaxing after they do something purely naughty. That they aren’t actually aware of the reason you’re rewarding them. They can often be confused and think you are allowing the naughtiness to happen.
in a sense they think “oh she won’t care if I do a buck I’m allowed, I only get praised once I relax”
Hope that makes sense
Your first response was very vague. I kind of get at what you're saying, but I disagree as I don't think you understand my comment correctly. By when a horse does any of the behaviours mentioned, by pushing it forward you are dealing with it, once it does as you ask you reward it. I don't get what's to not get.
 
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Your first response was very vague. I kind of get at what you're saying, but I disagree as I don't think you understand my comment correctly. By when a horse does any of the behaviours mentioned, by pushing it forward you are dealing with it, once it does as you ask you reward it. I don't get what's to not get.[/QUOTE
Oh I totally get what you mean By pushing it forward. Agree
But if you reward them they can’t distinguish between are you rewarding for the bucking or actually relaxing.
It’s to do with the frontal lobe similar to human behaviour
 
Shouting tells the horse you're not in control. Whatever you do, do it calmly. What I do is

Bucking/bronking: Sit up and kick on with a growled 'stop that you prat'
Rearing: First offence, pull down and around and ask forward with no fuss at all. Repeated, which is usually napping - mill them until they go wherever I point them.

That said, mine are ponies, not sharp thoroughbreds or huge great sports horses. If you are over-horsed, you need to get someone in who knows what they're doing. The last thing you want to do is break your neck, or teach your horse he can scare you into giving up.
I don’t mean shouting exactly more the growl, completely agree
 
you sound aggravated (please correct me if I’m wrong” but I think it is interesting which is personal opinion. I do the same thing I tend to reward her when she’s relaxed.
I just was told that if you reward them for relaxing after they do something purely naughty. That they aren’t actually aware of the reason you’re rewarding them. They can often be confused and think you are allowing the naughtiness to happen.
in a sense they think “oh she won’t care if I do a buck I’m allowed, I only get praised once I relax”
Hope that makes sense

They live in the moment so a 'reward' once they are back with you is clearly a reward for being relaxed and accepting the aids not for the spook a few seconds earlier, people do sometimes get the timing wrong but if the horse takes a few strides forward correctly and gets a pat it will connect the going forward with the praise not what happened prior to them moving when asked.

I have had to tell people to stop patting a horse that is stood by the side of the road almost trembling as a tractors approaches, they will associate the fear of the tractor with being praised not the fact they have managed to remain still, one was definitely getting worse with this approach and improved once the rider got her timing right, praise after the tractor had passed, reward for standing still until asked to move then patted, it made sense once she realised but until I pointed it out she thought he was being comforted and she was doing her best to help him overcome his fear..
 
When you've had a horse for a while and have got to know them I think you learn the best way to deal with them if they give you unwanted behaviour, eg Rose is best kept moving forward and given something else to think about but when I'd created a problem with napping into canter (absolutely my fault with hindsight) giving her a very smart crack with the whip sorted the problem and was required. However, true horsemanship is knowing instinctively what will work with a horse you don't know. I am miles from being there as I think it comes from years of experience, riding lots of different horses and having a natural aptitude. Generally though, having the ability to put the horse on the bit, have control of his body and neck and being able to make it go forward solves most problems it's even better if you can anticipate a problem and stop it happening in the first place.
 
I have been known to shout at mine between the giggling normally as long as I don't feel like I will come off! Have had some strange looks from other people in the past.

This is what I did with Elmo yesterday! I couldn't pull his head up so shouted his name and his head shot up and the broncing stopped ???
 
My horse can be nappy. She'll spin and rear and while lots of riders will battle her, I find it's best just to try to stay on and ignore it, then eventually she does get bored. I don't say anything or react aggressively, just turn and face her back the way she's meant to be going and wait for her to finish. Sometimes it'll go on for 10 minutes, sometimes 10 seconds. There's no point having a battle.
 
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