tabithakat64
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Or were you asking me about the canter thing?
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LOL yes, I told you I was being a numpty
Bucking when tapped with schooling whip - advice?
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Or were you asking me about the canter thing?
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LOL yes, I told you I was being a numpty
parsley
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My 10 year old still does this sometimes - I tell him off and do it again, which always seems to stop him
siennamum
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Spencer Him.
Stand him at one end of the arena facing up the school. Count down ready, steady go! when you say go (or your helpful assistant does) make him gallop off with as much leg or whip as you can use, shout also. Pretend you are in a gymnkhana race. Dont touch his mouth. Let him have a blast (but don't get bucked off, hold neckstrap). take him back to where you started and do it again. Keep doing it till he inanticipating your leg & you can just kick him to gallop from a standing start.
Go back to schooling and every time he is lazy off the leg. Stop on the circle/track and do the standing start. Keep it up for months if needed but he won't be lazy off the leg for long.
As much as you are supposed to tap them to back up the leg, I hate seeing it done & either hit them or not. Means I only have to do it once in a blue moon and when I do use the stick it really works and they aren't resentful.
Stand him at one end of the arena facing up the school. Count down ready, steady go! when you say go (or your helpful assistant does) make him gallop off with as much leg or whip as you can use, shout also. Pretend you are in a gymnkhana race. Dont touch his mouth. Let him have a blast (but don't get bucked off, hold neckstrap). take him back to where you started and do it again. Keep doing it till he inanticipating your leg & you can just kick him to gallop from a standing start.
Go back to schooling and every time he is lazy off the leg. Stop on the circle/track and do the standing start. Keep it up for months if needed but he won't be lazy off the leg for long.
As much as you are supposed to tap them to back up the leg, I hate seeing it done & either hit them or not. Means I only have to do it once in a blue moon and when I do use the stick it really works and they aren't resentful.
lilpinkdonkey4
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My mare can be like this occasionally, everytime you touch her she gives a buck... i just ignore it and carry on as usual, she normally just gives up (it tends to be aphase with her). In my last flatwork lesson my instructor told me to stroke her with the whip... she didnt like that and had a little hissy fit... yet if i flick her properly just the normal desired effect... maybe try stroking him with the whip gently and hopefully he will be the opposite to my mare and you will get the desired effect!
Shilasdair
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Or were you asking me about the canter thing?
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LOL yes, I told you I was being a numpty
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Well, IME, young horses when first cantering under saddle don't realise that to bring their hind legs under them for the canter depart, they can actually flex their hock joints. Instead, bless 'em, they try to bring their hind legs forward with straightish joints, and have to lift their bums up to get them there - hence the bucking.
It sorts itself out pretty quickly, as long as the rider doesn't start to have a crisis about it - horses do realise they have bendy legs
That's just been my experiences of youngsters though _ I'm sure plenty folk will disagree.
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Or were you asking me about the canter thing?
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LOL yes, I told you I was being a numpty
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Well, IME, young horses when first cantering under saddle don't realise that to bring their hind legs under them for the canter depart, they can actually flex their hock joints. Instead, bless 'em, they try to bring their hind legs forward with straightish joints, and have to lift their bums up to get them there - hence the bucking.
It sorts itself out pretty quickly, as long as the rider doesn't start to have a crisis about it - horses do realise they have bendy legs
That's just been my experiences of youngsters though _ I'm sure plenty folk will disagree.
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JanetGeorge
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Well, IME, young horses when first cantering under saddle don't realise that to bring their hind legs under them for the canter depart, they can actually flex their hock joints. Instead, bless 'em, they try to bring their hind legs forward with straightish joints, and have to lift their bums up to get them there - hence the bucking.
It sorts itself out pretty quickly, as long as the rider doesn't start to have a crisis about it - horses do realise they have bendy legs
That's just been my experiences of youngsters though _ I'm sure plenty folk will disagree.
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You're not far wrong!
5 is a baby. He's still not 'strong' in the back and he's almost certainly not properly 'engaged' from behind. I would give him some short lunging sessions and work on voice aids (we never actually sit on a youngster until it will walk, trot, canter and 'whoa' to the voice aid. ) We also teach them 'brrrrrrr' as a voice aid (roll the r's) - it means 'shift your a*se or the lunge whip will arrive!
Once you've got him working on the voice aids on the lunge, use them in association with leg aids when riding - including the brrrrrr! And do LOTS of transitions!! Get those hocks working and your horse will become more responsive.
Well, IME, young horses when first cantering under saddle don't realise that to bring their hind legs under them for the canter depart, they can actually flex their hock joints. Instead, bless 'em, they try to bring their hind legs forward with straightish joints, and have to lift their bums up to get them there - hence the bucking.
It sorts itself out pretty quickly, as long as the rider doesn't start to have a crisis about it - horses do realise they have bendy legs
That's just been my experiences of youngsters though _ I'm sure plenty folk will disagree.
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You're not far wrong!
5 is a baby. He's still not 'strong' in the back and he's almost certainly not properly 'engaged' from behind. I would give him some short lunging sessions and work on voice aids (we never actually sit on a youngster until it will walk, trot, canter and 'whoa' to the voice aid. ) We also teach them 'brrrrrrr' as a voice aid (roll the r's) - it means 'shift your a*se or the lunge whip will arrive!
Once you've got him working on the voice aids on the lunge, use them in association with leg aids when riding - including the brrrrrr! And do LOTS of transitions!! Get those hocks working and your horse will become more responsive.
sloulou
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Thanks for all the suggestions! Much appreciated
Shilasdair and JanetGeorge - I think he used to do what you describe when I first got him...
Not that either of you will prob see this now as this post is far down the list but - this vid of when I watched him being ridden before I tried him I think shows it:
is that what you meant?
BTW - he is much more forward than that now! That was Sept last year and is not me riding.
Shilasdair and JanetGeorge - I think he used to do what you describe when I first got him...
Not that either of you will prob see this now as this post is far down the list but - this vid of when I watched him being ridden before I tried him I think shows it:
is that what you meant?
BTW - he is much more forward than that now! That was Sept last year and is not me riding.
siennamum
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That's interesting, it would also be interesting to see a video of him now.
My guess would be that before you had him, he was uncomfortable & poorly ridden, he has his tail clamped down & looks generally unhappy rather than naughty.
That buck is a little learned behaviour & it would be interesting to see whether he is now much happier in his general way of going.
He looks very immature & downhill in the video looks like the saddle could be causing him discomfort.
My guess would be that before you had him, he was uncomfortable & poorly ridden, he has his tail clamped down & looks generally unhappy rather than naughty.
That buck is a little learned behaviour & it would be interesting to see whether he is now much happier in his general way of going.
He looks very immature & downhill in the video looks like the saddle could be causing him discomfort.
sloulou
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Interesting you say that - very accurate assesment
at the time of that vid he had a lump on his withers caused by a poorly fitting saddle and when he arrived at mine he also had girth galls
So since then we have been very careful with his tack and rugs and the lump has gone down and the girth galls all healed. The Vet told me when I had him vetted that he needed some TLC more than anything...
Will try to get a vid of him now this weekend so you can see the difference. He really isn't naughty at all (except for the occasional buck!)- he is a lovely boy - so you are quite right that he was unhappy.
He was in a riding school for 6 months before I bought him... that is where the vid is taken. So when you say poorly ridden - i expect that he was as he was probably used by a variety of people...
at the time of that vid he had a lump on his withers caused by a poorly fitting saddle and when he arrived at mine he also had girth galls
Will try to get a vid of him now this weekend so you can see the difference. He really isn't naughty at all (except for the occasional buck!)- he is a lovely boy - so you are quite right that he was unhappy.
He was in a riding school for 6 months before I bought him... that is where the vid is taken. So when you say poorly ridden - i expect that he was as he was probably used by a variety of people...
JanetGeorge
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Yep - in that video he is totally unbalanced, stiff as a board, can't get his inside hind under him. APPALLING that the poor little chap was being used in a riding school!!!
Just a suggestion but see if you can beg or borrow a Suber pad from someone and give it a try. I HATE riding in them because you can't actually feel your horse's back very well under them - but THEY can't feel your seat very well either. The beauty of THAT is if his problem is remembered pain! I had 2 in last month for re-schooling that bucked - going into canter, trying to go into canter etc. and we finally figured it was the slight shift in rider's weight (owner was quite novice) that reminded them that it used to hurt! So they bucked! Suber pad worked wonders in getting them out of the habit because they couldn't feel the rider's seat - so didn't remember! Once a horse gets into the habit of responding to pain by bucking you have to make them realise that it no longer hurts!
Other padded numnahs, front risers etc don't work in the same way - the Suber pad is built like a bean bag and it absorbs movement and cushions muscles in a way that is quite unique.
Just a suggestion but see if you can beg or borrow a Suber pad from someone and give it a try. I HATE riding in them because you can't actually feel your horse's back very well under them - but THEY can't feel your seat very well either. The beauty of THAT is if his problem is remembered pain! I had 2 in last month for re-schooling that bucked - going into canter, trying to go into canter etc. and we finally figured it was the slight shift in rider's weight (owner was quite novice) that reminded them that it used to hurt! So they bucked! Suber pad worked wonders in getting them out of the habit because they couldn't feel the rider's seat - so didn't remember! Once a horse gets into the habit of responding to pain by bucking you have to make them realise that it no longer hurts!
Other padded numnahs, front risers etc don't work in the same way - the Suber pad is built like a bean bag and it absorbs movement and cushions muscles in a way that is quite unique.
sloulou
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thanks Janet - sounds useful - although mine doesn't buck into canter anymore - just when I flick with the schooling whip... but assuming it is all linked in his mind (ie. whip = pain from having to move forward) then abandoning the whip and using other methods - as suggested by you and others above sound like they might help in terms of forgetting the associated pain memory?
I just wanted to rescue him when I saw him (not best reason for buying a horse - but he also suits my needs!) and when he arrived at ours he was in a bit of a state - not that they were cruel to him, just that he wasn't really bothered with.
Will def get vid at weekend - then you can see the difference
I just wanted to rescue him when I saw him (not best reason for buying a horse - but he also suits my needs!) and when he arrived at ours he was in a bit of a state - not that they were cruel to him, just that he wasn't really bothered with.
Will def get vid at weekend - then you can see the difference