Burghley Stallion parade?

PSHP/Land Rover Burghley Horse Trials Stallion Parade Entry List Friday 4 September
Young Horse Ring 2 approx 1pm
All That Jazz
Balinmore Irish Rebel
Centaur Jolly Jack
Chilli Morning
Classic Juan
Grafenstolz
Kannan
Marco de Fot
Primitive Star
Quarterline
Quattro B
Revolution
Romarnic Ranger
Singing Horatio
Take it 2 The Limit
Up With The Lark
Weston Justice
Wish Upon A Star
Wolkenderry
Woodcroft Garuda K
Woodlander Wesuvio
 
Well FI only graded yesterday and you ave to be graded to present at Burghley....you never know, hopefully he will be able to get a slot now!
 
Do you know if FI received a second or first pass on his grading I know that the two Atlantic Dancer Sons
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cant say i would be bothered what book fi went on too, he has some amazing foals on the ground, that would be enough for me??lfw seems very intent on getting an answer, im sure if you ask the right person you will get an answer?
lfw dont see what you comment has to do with the stallion parade though?
 
Not being funny Lost_for_words but do you have a problem with Future Illusion??? I do not know what FI graded into but it is just that in 2 posts now you have spoken about him with regards to the first or second book and the way it comes across is that you do in fact know and are insulting him in a way.

I know of a couple of stallions that were graded yesterday and were put into book 2...not because they were inferior in any way but because they are older than the average stallion presented and so are now required to present for performance grading in order to finish into the Book 1. There are many other stallions that are already graded into Book 2 and are successful as sires. FI has already produced stock that are performing incredibly well in the futurity scheme, with several being Elites and so I would say irrespective of anything, the proof is in the pudding, and whilst we have not used him ourselves yet, we certainly hope to be able to use him for a 2011 baby!
 
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Would you be able to take some of Centaur Jolly Jack for me? have not seen him in the flesh yet and he was on the radar for one of mine.
 
Interesting to see Marco du Fot there, he is normally based here but his owner/rider has a strong UK connection and I think is wise to market him in the UK. Eventing is very small here, but I've heard good things from the people who have used him.
 
Maybe when the post went on Julia should have put which book he graded into and the reasons why and then LFW would not have to keep asking to bring the point to a fore.

Yes his progeny are doing well in the Futuries the majority I beleive bred by the stud out of well breed mares. These mares would produce top foals whatever stallion they went to but good luck to Julia she is promoting her lad well.

Will be good to see him at the stallion parade if able to get a slot as he has had few public outings and then any doubting thomas can judge for themselves whether on the avarage mare being bred from in UK FI can improved upon the progeny these mares are already producing.

Julia is offering discounts to mares whose progeny receive first premiums + at the futuries and this is to keep a high quaity of mare to FI wherever possible - The true worth of a stallion is not the progeny from these mares or his competition record, but it is being able to improve on the lesser mares to produce top progeny.

FI and ML are probably the best promoted stallions in the UK over the past two seasons - IMO the jury on the H&H forum will have to be out for at least another 6 years!
 
so annoyed i can't get the time off work! grrr!!

so many there i wanted to get a closer look at and one or two we are seriously considering for next year...

on a side note, it would be nice to know which book FI went into- as far as i can see he has no performance record, no progent competing under saddle and so it would be really nice to know how well he graded.
 
Or if LFW is really that interested why doesn't he/she just pm Julia and get the answer straight from the horse's mouth and as someone else stated, does it really matter, the fact of the matter is that he is now graded, still there are no pleasing some people.

The original post was about the stallion parade and yet again FI has ended up being the subject, so I don't know about Julia marketing him well, I think he's marketed well enough on here, the amount of times he's written about
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It seems for every step forward this guy takes, instead of giving him the credit he deserves, there's always a "yeah but" on here. Give him a break - Jeez.

If you don't like him - don't use him, how simple can it be.
 
Couldn't agree more, nijinsky - FI is already scoring success with his offspring as a young stallion - too young to have had a chance for his youngstock to start competing under saddle. That's why people will not have seen them. He hasn't appeared on the competition circuit recently because, as far as I'm aware, he's been off work for a while recovering from an injury. But there is a video of him in training with Jeanette Brakewell tackling a XC course in lovely style early on in his training. (YouTube)

And if Julia is great at marketing her stallion - good for her!!! She doesn't resort to any of the exaggerations, or "phantom" posters and "self-to-self" conversations, as has sometimes happened with other owners in the past on this and other forums .... she's just a good promoter of her stallion on his record. As for criticising her for choosing to put him to quality mares
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.... (a) what stallion owner would NOT do this, especially when he is at the start of his stud career? and (b) how do you know that he hasn't had some "mediocre"/improvable mares sent to him?

Back to the Burghley Stallion Parade - and looking forward to the pics and reports from everyone who is going!
 
He has done a couple of BYEH qualifiers with good dressage but disappointing jumping marks and did an intro with 2 stops xc but good dr/ sj.

The only issue I have with FI is that I know his sire extremely well and I know what he produces and whilst FI is certainly a looker, he isnt currently looking like the best jumper he has ever produced. I'm sure he will be a useful event horse though, if he hasnt inherited *too* much of the Opposition attitude!
 
Can people not give FI a break?? He is a youngster himself and so it is impossible to have any progeny out there competing, he has however had several out winning in the show ring. Any stud, if they can afford it, will invest in buying decent quality mare for their stallions to go to.....they would be pretty stupid as a stud to invest in mediocre mares for the sake of it.....I am sure the big continental studs would be doing the same, alongside the UK ones!!!

Yes Julia is marketing him well.....something that we here in the UK should do better with our homebreds actually! However, just because a mare is well bred does not mean she will throw good foals...same as with a stallion! Several of the mares Julia has used have had decent breeding but have themselves been unproven as broodmares. PLUS FI has now STILL sire 100% BEF First Premium and Elite foals out of 3 crops! For the number of foals presented I would say this is a fantastic feat...ESPECIALLY for a young stallion!

Plus....I admire Julia for using him soo heavily on her own mares. It means she has faith in him and is practising what she preaches!!! She is not only selling coverings by him but proving him as well using her own mares!!!
 
i wasn't criticising him for not having youngstock out under saddle, just pointing out that as he has nothing competing we can judge and has no comp record of his own to speak of, it would be nice to see how well he graded.
 
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well, if only i'd known, all you need is a really good mare and you can put any old crappy stallion on and be guaranteed to produce a 'top foal'. (being ironic here, btw.)

if anyone can tell me how a 5yr old stallion is supposed to have progeny out competing under saddle, i'd love to hear it...

i'm not in the FI camp, but for heaven's sake be reasonable. the sniping on here is unbelievable sometimes!
 
Why is it when if someone questions a stallion which has a pro following on this forum that instead of answering the question posed it gets into a debate.

Having had a very quick look yes FI has again all first and elites. Julia has presented 8 of his 9 foals forward this year - but where are all the yearlings and two year olds by this stallion which achieved high scores in previous years?
 
The presenting of yearlings is a point of contention as the equivalent of the futurity in Europe will only present foals and 3 yr olds and many have argued that it should be the same here in the UK and as such it could well be that she is just following this theory, especially when you consider that she already has a lot of foals to present (both his and others), for he to be presenting all of her yearlings and 2 yr olds would be too much to do IMO, having already presented our lot, a lot of work goes into it for 2 horses farless 4 or 5 in a day, not to mention the expense at £50 per horse!

I also believe a couple of his were presented as yearlings last year and they again got 1st Premiums. Of the foals presented this year I know that 2 definitely were not bred by Julia nor owned by her (one was owned by Nijinsky on here) and another that got a 1st yesterday was bred by her but no longer owned by them. PLUS given the current economic climate, I think a young stallion that has already had several foals sell in utero to places such at Texas, is a a great compliment and testament to people's faith in him.

I know that all going well, we plan on using him on one of our mare's next year.
 
I am afraid if British breeding is to progress it is very important that only the top graded stallions are used.
Any old grading is not good enough.
It was not quite clear on the day what grades were presented to the majority of indivdual stallions.
It was intended that clients mares were to go FI and asked that his grading be clarified and yes I will contact the stud direct.
 
A pro following? Hardly, he takes a fair amount of knocks on here. I know of one yearling presented and received a 1st premium. I have to agree with ER23 presenting a foal or two and handling for others is enough to deal with. I took my foal and was very pleased with the result so I don't feel the need to take her back as a yearling, however I will be out there showing her as a yearling, a different experience for us both.

Funny how you noticed none of his older crop were being presented as I wondered where all the Jaguar Mail & Grafenstolz foals were.
 
Yes Nijinsky....I have been watching out for all the Grafenstolz progeny entered, seeing as there is a special award of a free covering being presented to the owner of the highest scoring Grafenstolz progeny....however so far I have seen only 2 forward so far, a 3 yr old and a foal! Both of these are clearly nice horses and both graded highly but going with the above theory that the stallion will only throw good foals if put to a good mare as someone has stated has been done with FI, then I guess you could hardly state that these scores are then indicative, as both Graf progeny were by quality mares, one of which is Welton Lady!

LFW - yes I totally agree with you on the fact that British Breeding has got to progress, however, people ARE improving and the quality is also likewise improving. ALSO, the TOP sires of the moment in eventing breeding for example are Irish in the large part....and a LOT of Irish stallions are not graded and also, these stallions are essentially cut off for those outside of Ireland as a huge number of them are not available AI. Julia has always been completely and utterly open about FI and has always also made it clear that anyone who wishes to do so can come and visit him whenever they want and see for themselves and draw their own conclusions.
 
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I think that " a group of people amongst whom - (and I'm one) - there are many who haven't actually used FI as yet, but believe in balanced and fair views on stallions standing at stud" - would be a more accurate description. "Pro" following???? What does this mean????

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Yup. 'Nuff said .....
 
Plus unless I am mistaken, Julia sells many of her foals at weaning. Thus she is not able to bring them forward as she simply no longer owns them. If their new owners choose not to present them that is their decision and hardly her fault is it?

How many of us breed a nice foal, then find it has an attack of the 'fuglies' as it ages, how many decide that the yearling or two year old doesn't need to be seen at what could be considered a high profile event where marks and remarks are open to public airing?
 
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