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patriotic girl that I am......

What has happened to the British dressage challenge? -only 3 brits in the top 10 at the moment.
Has everyone else improved and we haven't?

What does everyone think? Is the dressage a higher standard now? I still look at all event horses - and think so tight, should be rounder and needs to be more through. Opinions?
 
Well i can think of one horse in the top three that was formerly ridden by a brit until march this year and never did better than a 57 in a three star and is now ridden by a foreigner and doing a sub 40 test in a 4 star within six months. thats your answer, dressage is part of the upbringing in other places not a separate subject learnt through gritted teeth as it often is here.
 
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Exactly!!!
 
We used to lead the world.

"thats your answer, dressage is part of the upbringing in other places not a separate subject learnt through gritted teeth as it often is here"

But i can think of a number of senior eventers who were doing junior dressage with me!

Also is it a name that gets the mark rather than the test? I always look at a so called dressage expert and think all her/his horses look tight at the base of the neck, they still get the excellent marks.
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I am also a bit confused at dressage marking at the lower levels - too much emphasis on pulling heads down and in. Still seems to get the good marks.
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Is this causing the problem higher up the scale?
 
Mostly i moght agree with the sentiment that famous riders often get a slightly generous mark but ut must be said the ground jury at Burghly seem to be blissfully ignorant of who 'should' be in the lead. mostly they have been almost exactly agreeing with each other and rumour has it the best marks really were the best tests!
 
I think most of the time it's bolloc*s about it being a name getting a better mark. Names usually are for a good reason - they can ride. They have a better understanding of the scales of training and therefore way of going. Just because you perform a movement at the marker doesn't mean you're going to get a great mark. I worked for a dressage judge and rider for a couple of years and learnt so much about marking and the why's and wherefore's of it.
 
At lower levels you would be right the better riders do make a better job on the whole and thereefore do not waste marks needlessly but higher up the scale when they are all 'better' riders there is a 'star' factor on a great many occasions. And i dont work for a dressage judge i am one and often write for higher level judges ( i am list 4) incognito for a learning experience and what i mainly learn is that certain riders practically have to bolt out of the arena before being heavily penalised. The ground jury at Burghley have been outstanding, in complete agreement in nearly every case, using the full range of marks and getting a dressage resukt that few could argue with having seen the tests.
 
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