Buteless for pregnant mare?

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Hi everyone,

Bit of a long winded spiel but a friend put her childhood mare into foal and she’s now about 7 weeks in foal. She has moved to my yard for grass livery as we have more land for her to graze on and is more or less in my care for the summer. This mare has some mild arthritis in her hocks (I wouldn’t personally have bred from her but that’s none of my business!) and was on the equine america powder supplement “buteless” long term prior to being covered by the stallion, however was taken off it a few weeks prior. Mare has started to stiffen up a bit behind again due to hard ground, nothing major but I’d like to give her a bit of pain relief.

I was looking at the Bute-less tub and it says nothing about pregnant mares, so I emailed them and they said their vet said that the supplement is safe for use with pregnant mares. However, in the ingredients it contains boswellia which I was always told to not give to mares in foal. I emailed again to clarify regarding the boswellia and they reiterated that the vet said it was safe. So I wanted to ask you guys your thoughts? Are there any alternatives I could give her that are safe for pregnancy? Have you used it with a mare in foal?

Me and her owner would love to continue using the Bute-less if I could as this worked in the past according to her owner, but obviously if it is not safe I will swap for another. I don’t want to get a vet involved just yet as she’s not in any visible pain and seems happy enough but I don’t want her to get to a stage where she’s uncomfortable and may need to be prescribed actual bute as her arthritis is only mild.
 
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Stiffness is pain. Sorry! Not much help but reluctance or inability to move (even ‘just’ a joint) is an exhibition of pain. Heaven knows how she’ll cope as the foal gets heavier. Poor thing.
As I’ve said above, I wouldn’t have put her into foal because of the arthritis but she’s not my horse and it wasn’t my decision. I’m just trying to help her situation and passing judgement on the situation doesn’t do a whole lot. Thanks.
 

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This is definitely a question for your vet.
Exactly what she said.

OP, please speak to your/their vet about the right pain relief for this mare - for now and also going forward through this mares pregnancy.

I appreciate you are trying to help a friend out but I'm rather astounded that a pregnancy has been put on a mare that has required long term pain relief previously. It's going to be a tricky balancing process as she progresses through to full term.
 
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Exactly what she said.

OP, please speak to your/their vet about the right pain relief for this mare - for now and also going forward through this mares pregnancy.

I appreciate you are trying to help a friend out but I'm rather astounded that a pregnancy has been put on a mare that has required long term pain relief previously. It's going to be a tricky balancing process as she progresses through to full term.
I have gotten her vets info and will be doing that in the morning! My thoughts exactly… it always astounds me that anyone can put a horse into foal with little knowledge on genetic conditions, conformation, etc, but most importantly the comfort of the horse. Just want what is best for the mare while she is in my care at the moment.
 

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I have gotten her vets info and will be doing that in the morning! My thoughts exactly… it always astounds me that anyone can put a horse into foal with little knowledge on genetic conditions, conformation, etc, but most importantly the comfort of the horse. Just want what is best for the mare while she is in my care at the moment.
I'll be brutally honest, if the mare is struggling even now, then it would be a discussion to have with the vet to terminate the pregnancy.
I totally appreciate that this isnt your party though but you'll be dealing with the day to day issues whilst she's with you.
Good luck!
 

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It depends if the product has been tested on pregnant mares or not. It isn’t recommended to use boswellia in pregnant humans due to a lack of testing, so I would suggest the same is true for horses. Though I doubt very much if there are likely to be any harmful implications.
 

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Sadly, I imagine arthritis in broodmares is not an uncommon problem given the breeding value of successful competition/ racing mares. The ethics are an entirely different question.
 

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As I’ve said above, I wouldn’t have put her into foal because of the arthritis but she’s not my horse and it wasn’t my decision. I’m just trying to help her situation and passing judgement on the situation doesn’t do a whole lot. Thanks.
You did however say that you didn’t need to involve the vet as she wasn’t in pain. I therefore pointed out that stiffness is pain.
 
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