Buying an eventer with a wind problem-would you?

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We rang up about a nice eventer, qualified for 1*. Price has been dropped quite a bit because he has a wind problem. Its only small but he failed the vet on it. Apparntly he will be fine up to intermediate but if he went advanced he may need to be hobdayed. Would you go for it? The one question I have is would he pass a three day trot up with this? Everything else sounds great. Ideas/thoughts please.
 
Think I have seen him on Horsequest?! depends on a scoping, his results so far, and how far I wanted to go
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Penfold has developed a wind problem but his is not a problem that hobdaying would help .He displaces his palate or they think he does, they would like to do the endoscope on the treadmill but as he is not insured ,I can't afford it. I would find the money if the outlook was good but they don't seem to be able to do much for that problem.
I now use a tongue guard and grackle and get him very fit. If I was thinking of buying one ,then I don't think I would. You say qualified for 1* , has he done one? I ask because Penfold is qualified to do them but as they are longer I don't think his wind would be up to it.
Penfold would pass a run up , we did the riding club 3 day and he was fine with the vet all the way through. Just he can run out of puff if he displaces.
 
there is a horse i am considering buying that has a wind problem - but is talented enough to spend a little money in getting it tied back - it makes a slight noise due to a op it had when it was younger.

if horse is talented enough a wind problem wouldnt put me off!
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what do you want to achieve with horse?
 
if its not too bad i would go for it, its a problem in racing but i would say not so much in eventing and in racing there are plently that have trouble breathing!! I would put it in a X nose band, keeps there mouths closed so they breath through there noses and not there mouth
 
No horse should fail a trot up due to a wind problem as they only make a noise in canter. Perhaps they could fail due to a rapid respiratory rate but that shouldn't happen if it had a true 'wind' ie. laryngeal problem.

Usually when people say a wind problem they meanlaryngeal paralysis. If you're really interested try to get in touch with the vet who did the vetting (you might need the permission of the person who had the vetting done before he will talk to you) and check what sort of wind problem it is and how severe it is.

Otherwise I would look for something that is right from the start. You have a reasonable budget for what you want and should be able to buy something without compromising on medical problems.
 
Is that the Fetiche du Pas mare? I had a mare by the same stallion, she also made a very very slight noise. I struggled to sell her and she eventually went as a brood mare, even though she was seriously talented and a super type I virtually had to give her away.
 
No he would not fail the trot up chestnut in sig has a wind problem you can here him miles away however he completed Bramham fine he was never held at eny of his 3DE trot ups. The only thing that happened was at the end on XC not roads and tracks vets asked him to stay about for an extra 5 min to keep an eye on him and they were very pleased on how fast he recovered. We did retire him a few months after due to his wind as he was 14 and didnt want to put him through a op. I would go for it.
 
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Is that the Fetiche du Pas mare? I had a mare by the same stallion, she also made a very very slight noise. I struggled to sell her and she eventually went as a brood mare, even though she was seriously talented and a super type I virtually had to give her away.

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No but its a Fetiche du Pas gelding.

I would be wanting to do intermediate/cci*/novice next year and 2010.

The thing is I thought it would be a nice cheaper horse who we could grab and sell on later at a profit, but then it would have to be sold for less than normal.

If we find something with no problems thats great if not he may be a possible.

HE GOT A 3 SCOPING SCALE
 
I wouldnt buy a horse for that level of eventing with a wind problem. For one, if he has failed the vetting he wont be insured for respiratory problems so if you decided on an op you would have to pay and time out of work. Secondly, as you say you may want to sell on at later date, would may finding him a home much more difficult and for less money.
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Would not worry about that level of laryngeal paralysis for SJ, dressage or low grade eventing so maybe best they find a home for that job instead.
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There are many horses out there I would keep looking, as would be gutting if put in all the work and he doesnt have the breathing capacity to make it around an intermediate track.
 
If you look up you can find info on different grades of paralysis, they are rated 0-5. 3 is reasonably severe. I would never buy one with a wind issue, I do have one though. It should not affect the trot up at all. They can get worse as the horse ages so be aware of that. Some horses don't seem to be affected but other will struggle at novice with some paralysis. Chances are an op may sort him out but even if you are prepared to spend the £1000 or so they are not always successful and GA is not an insignificant risk.

My one was rated between a two and a three, both practices wouldn't do a tie back only a hobday. And due to GA risks I had her laser hobdayed rather than GA hodayed. It went well etc but if in same position again would have insisted on a tieback.
 
I know the horse your talking about - I tried it last Sunday


- Its a cracking horse- the wind there doesnt appear to be a prob - (seen the vets report) and if you talk to FW about his grey that went round both Bad and Burgh then then by comp its not a prob whatsoever! I know F very well indeed (I have one of his old horses) and have known him and since I was 13yrs old. He gave me the thumbs up about this horse..

My current horse is a whistler but its only a noise and not a problem, vetted in NZ by NZs team vet and over here by the late and great Nick Mills.
Having spoken to the horses owner it can be laser hobdayed which for its price frankly is a bargain - I would have had it like a shot but too much bulk for the sort of horse I go for.
 
Thanks train_robber. Its great to have some inside info. Owner issending vets report so I can examine the problem.

I may be tempted to go try it if there are a few more to see close-by.

T-r do you know if FW still has a few of his novices for sale?
 
Could you put a deposit down and ask owner to do the wind op before you completely buy him?

You could even split the cost - although presumably owners insurance will cover wind problems as he wouldn't have failed the vet when they bought him?

That way, if the op doesn't work out properly, you won't be stuck with a broken horse?

Wind ops are very common in racing, usually successful and the horse is back in work quite quickly (so you could assess outcome of op quite soon).

Just a thought.
 
I had a little horse I produced up to 1* which made a noise - para-thingy paralyis as GB said. Never affected his performance at all, went double clear round Necarne which is physically one of the most demanding 1* tracks in Europe, finished full of running. There really shouldn't be a trot-up problem, the issue is re-sale as, as you can see on this thread, many people are put off by it. I sold ok by being very honest and letting them talk to my vet, also he had a good record so they could see it hadn't affected his performance. I didn't drop his price at all, he sold for good money.
 
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Could you put a deposit down and ask owner to do the wind op before you completely buy him?

You could even split the cost - although presumably owners insurance will cover wind problems as he wouldn't have failed the vet when they bought him?

That way, if the op doesn't work out properly, you won't be stuck with a broken horse?


Wind ops are very common in racing, usually successful and the horse is back in work quite quickly (so you could assess outcome of op quite soon).

Just a thought.

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Thats not a bad idea you know. However for the price I could get him I don't think it would be fair to ask her to pay for it. I am totaly open to suggestions and its good to hear people ideas.

Were going to ask our vet about it and see what he thinks.

Tabledancer thats interesting. As I understand it his wind problem is not that bad so hopefully he would still be able to manage with longer/harder tracks.
 
No, it's not worth it and imo not fair to the horse, imagine running with a cold!
The horse should be sold to do a job that doesn't require serious exertion, and do you want to be sat on a horse that gets to the top of a hill and MAY at some point not have enough oxygen and just fall over the jump?
 
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No, it's not worth it and imo not fair to the horse, imagine running with a cold!
The horse should be sold to do a job that doesn't require serious exertion, and do you want to be sat on a horse that gets to the top of a hill and MAY at some point not have enough oxygen and just fall over the jump?

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That is a little bit of a sweeping statement, it is relying on the fact that the horse is always compromised which certainly especially if it has the operation and it is sucessful is often not the case.

My old novice eventer makes a noise when cantered, he always has, I had him scoped when we first noticed many years ago and the vet said it was a there was a slight deformatory that as far as he could see would make a noise but not compromise him in any way. Certainly did not slow him down upto novice level.
Only retired him because I needed the time to concentrate on the youngster.

I would be inclined to take the risk if everything else was right. good luck
 
I guess it would depend on the horse and how it coped. We had one with the same problem, not sure how severe it was though, may have been a level 2 or 3? You could hear the noise the moment he popped into canter.
He failed the vetting when my mum brought him and we were told he would never race or event and would struggle doing fast work but we brought him anyway.
We had him untill he passed away at 26 and at not one point in his whole life did it affect him. He had the quickest recovery rate of any horse ive known. I used to hunt him and he would stay out all day for 7/8 hours and he would pull, dance and bolt the whole way, he never ever tired! He would still be trying to clamber over the horse in front even when we were riding home (he was actually horrid to hunt as it sent him crazy).
I dont know what he would have been like round a serious event course but I did PC area stuff (BE Novice standard) and it never bothered him at all, he was always fresh as a daisy and tanking like a steam train at the end. He was part arab though and they have amazing stamina.
I would discuss with Vet if hes gone this far hes obviously been coping fine and when I did Equine Science at Uni they said that the tie back operation was very simple and nearly always solved the problem.
I probably wouldnt buy it though if I wanted to sell it on as an expensive horse just because people are picky.
 
seriously I think if I was the owner and the answer is so simple I would have the op done myself .Im afraid having gone through the experience of buying a young horse recently and had 5 failed vettings on the trot.Whatever you do dont take this vetting report as gospel and have the horse vetted again if your interested and use a vet experienced in wind problems.
Some times you can get carried away by the horse and not think of the drawbacks .2of the horses we looked at were spectacular and instantly fell in love with and told vet not to be picky.We now have a stunning 5yr old who will start competing next season.All the other 5 had already competed BE not one has competed in last season.
Good luck! talented horses without complications are out there you dont need to buy problems.
 
OH's old TB eventer made a noise, but he never ever had time pen XC (up to intermediate level). You could hear him coming a field away, but his performance was not affected. He had had the tie back op as a younger horse, but it only partially worked for some reason.

He also won three 3 mile hunter chases in his previous career as a racehorse, so anyone who dismisses a horse with a mild wind anomaly without at least finding out more is mad in my opinion.

I don't see it at all as being similar to galloping a horse with a cold up a hill!!!!!!

Good luck comet!!

FIona
 
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