Can anyone help RSPCA identify those in this video?

So as long as we use electric torture to keep horses in one place, it's okay, but using electric torture to move them is cruel.

okay, I get it. No double standards between leccy fences and cattle prods going on at all, whatsoever.

Come on Darkhorse123 - you're even less real than me with that pathetic argument!
 
DragonSlayer said:
MANY excellent points have been made both for and against
Click to expand...
I'm astonished you think many excellent points were made for using electric shocks to get (let alone train) horses to load. I have read every word in this thread and cannot find even one compellingly good point in favour!
 
fburton said:
I'm astonished you think many excellent points were made for using electric shocks to get (let alone train) horses to load. I have read every word in this thread and cannot find even one compellingly good point in favour!
Click to expand...

Point made. My reading of the entire 24 pages would not have changed my opinion.
 
fburton said:
I'm astonished you think many excellent points were made for using electric shocks to get (let alone train) horses to load. I have read every word in this thread and cannot find even one compellingly good point in favour!
Click to expand...

What would you rather.....using 'Natural Horsemanship' methods which involve random hitting in the face with a lead-rope and a stick that does bugger all?

Wouldyou prefer several people trying to shove said horse in so it get's so het-up the fear grows?

Would you rather a beating with a large stick to get the horse in?

OR...a quick shock that helps the horse make up it's mind straight away?

These girls went about it the wrong way, and administered the prod at the wrong time...

BUT....

WHICH is the lesser of the two evils?

I'm astonished like you....at the amount of people here who get so het-up and in a frenzy over this, yet say nothing against the livestock who arre herded about everyday with these things.

I'm astonished those who believe in this 'Natural Horsemanship' will entertain such abuse with that, that has been seen...ropes, sticks, large bouncy balls......and will yell about a cattle prod, ranting about it being used on a horse, yet will confuse their horse to no end trying to teach it circus tricks, THAT is mental abuse in my mind.

I'm astonished that there are very few on this thread that seem to UNDERSTAND WHY such an item might be used WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT.

It is a waste of time even TRYING to have a decent discussion in this place, as most throw their toys out of the pram the first second they get.
 
minigal said:
I didn't realise we had to pick our favourite method of abuse...can we just pick none of the above?
Click to expand...

Of course you can pick none of the above, as do I!

BUT.....points have been made here, that need discussions, and may people refuse to discuss, just yell.

Meh, knock yourselves out people, argue to the cows come home.....if you have to insult, refuse to accept others think differently to you....then....go ahead.
 
DragonSlayer said:
What would you rather.....using 'Natural Horsemanship' methods which involve random hitting in the face with a lead-rope and a stick that does bugger all?

Wouldyou prefer several people trying to shove said horse in so it get's so het-up the fear grows?

Would you rather a beating with a large stick to get the horse in?

OR...a quick shock that helps the horse make up it's mind straight away?

These girls went about it the wrong way, and administered the prod at the wrong time...

BUT....

WHICH is the lesser of the two evils?
Click to expand...
I don't think the choices you list are actually what we are all faced with. There are many other approaches that don't include any of the things you have mentioned (not least, time and patience) so why are you stuck on either ors where none are acceptable? :confused: For me all the things on your list are not acceptable so I personally would not restrict myself to making choices between those on your list. I know I am not alone.

I do accept others think differently but I don't have to like their thinking or agree just because I read it.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
DragonSlayer said:
What would you rather.....using 'Natural Horsemanship' methods which involve random hitting in the face with a lead-rope and a stick that does bugger all?

Wouldyou prefer several people trying to shove said horse in so it get's so het-up the fear grows?

Would you rather a beating with a large stick to get the horse in?

OR...a quick shock that helps the horse make up it's mind straight away?

These girls went about it the wrong way, and administered the prod at the wrong time...

BUT....

WHICH is the lesser of the two evils?

I'm astonished like you....at the amount of people here who get so het-up and in a frenzy over this, yet say nothing against the livestock who arre herded about everyday with these things.

I'm astonished those who believe in this 'Natural Horsemanship' will entertain such abuse with that, that has been seen...ropes, sticks, large bouncy balls......and will yell about a cattle prod, ranting about it being used on a horse, yet will confuse their horse to no end trying to teach it circus tricks, THAT is mental abuse in my mind.

I'm astonished that there are very few on this thread that seem to UNDERSTAND WHY such an item might be used WHETHER WE AGREE OR NOT.

It is a waste of time even TRYING to have a decent discussion in this place, as most throw their toys out of the pram the first second they get.
Click to expand...


what a load of twaddle - think u need to shut up !!!!!
 
I truly don't see how anyone can justify the use of a cattle prod - on any animal.

And I think minigirl makes a great point - this isn't about picking the better form of abuse, it's about saying a cattle prod isn't an acceptable tool when working with a difficult loader. Just because it may be less cruel than other methods doesn't make it ok! It is still wrong.
 
varkie said:
I truly don't see how anyone can justify the use of a cattle prod - on any animal.

And I think minigirl makes a great point - this isn't about picking the better form of abuse, it's about saying a cattle prod isn't an acceptable tool when working with a difficult loader. Just because it may be less cruel than other methods doesn't make it ok! It is still wrong.
Click to expand...
Simple and succint post that sums it up for me.
 
darkhorse123 said:
what a load of twaddle - think u need to shut up !!!!!
Click to expand...

And I think you need to learn not to become insulting when people do not agree with you - it is childish and does nothing for your argument.

As I said before, I am against the use of a cattle prod on ANY animal and especially in the hands of complete incompetents as shown in the video so I do disagree with Dragonslayer, but at least she is putting points across without resorting to rudeness!
 
amandap said:
I don't think the choices you list are actually what we are all faced with. There are many other approaches that don't include any of the things you have mentioned (not least, time and patience) so why are you stuck on either ors where none are acceptable? :confused: For me all the things on your list are not acceptable so I personally would not restrict myself to making choices between those on your list. I know I am not alone.
Click to expand...

OK, last time I am going to say this, then I will retire from this thread.

Of COURSE none of those I listed are acceptable BUT why is it people cannot sit back, and say '....OK.....you said you needed to use that prod....why?'.....

Someone else then cannot say '....here are my reasons...'...

The first person could then reply '...have you tried this..?'...

Replied with 'No, I haven't...I will do, thanks'..

Instead, we get yells, insults, immature behaviour with name-calling blah blah blah...

The point I am trying to get across, and am obviously failing....is that WHY can people NOT discuss the points of WHY it might deemed a better way to go than others.

As much as we would like, not everyone thinks the way we would like them to, and if given the choice, I would rather said person give the poor creature a short, sharp shock, than the usual beating it might get. And yes, HAVE seen others beat horses to get them in, and use all manners of ways.

I am NOT condoning abuse, JUST trying to reason WHY someone might use that method. Because I bet they are not the first to use it!

Or would you rather me yell back at you, with insults and derogatory remarks? Waste of time, right?

I am wasting my time trying to debate a situation here as well, happens everytime....
 
Amaranta said:
And I think you need to learn not to become insulting when people do not agree with you - it is childish and does nothing for your argument.

As I said before, I am against the use of a cattle prod on ANY animal and especially in the hands of complete incompetents as shown in the video so I do disagree with Dragonslayer, but at least she is putting points across without resorting to rudeness!
Click to expand...

Thankyou!!!!!!!

TRYING is the word......it is fine you disagree.....why can't others understand we don't need to insult each other?
 
DragonSlayer said:
Thankyou!!!!!!!

TRYING is the word......it is fine you disagree.....why can't others understand we don't need to insult each other?
Click to expand...

Yup there are some on this thread who seem incapable of rational discussion, they also misconstrue what is actually written, become emotive and then start to hurl insults which achieves absolutely nothing, they then go off and start another thread on almost the exact same subject :)
 
Amaranta said:
Yup there are some on this thread who seem incapable of rational discussion, they also misconstrue what is actually written, become emotive and then start to hurl insults which achieves absolutely nothing, they then go off and start another thread on almost the exact same subject :)
Click to expand...

Of course I can accept many don't agree with my train of thought....but heck!

Telling me to shut up?

Playground behaviour....

Tsk.....
 
Once again the insults have started Dark Horse telling someone to shut up is very immature, is this how you conduct yourself in the outside world when someone disagrees with you, you tell them to shut up. Show you are an adult and apologise.,
 
DragonSlayer said:
Of course I can accept many don't agree with my train of thought....but heck!

Telling me to shut up?

Playground behaviour....

Tsk.....
Click to expand...

TBH that particular poster is very close to being the first one I have ever put on UI :D really not worth the trouble of replying to, almost every post is an insult to someone or other.
 
So Boolavoguedc, I'm the unpleasent one, having read some of the posts after mine, some of these people seem to think it's ok to use cattle prod. At lest I can live with myself, not sure about with some of the ops.
 
snaptie said:
For those who would dismiss me I'm not bleating that a half tonne of horse does not need controlling or that a slap/crack is needed if things go awry.

What I find strange a so-called horse forum mainly supports such idiotic actions. You clearly see the handler either deliberately or frankly stupidly doing little or nothing to encourage the horse to load up. And in fact standing in his way. Then we get sparky yellow jumping in all too willing to shock the horse for not obeying immediately whatever they expect him to understand.

Only for the clearly confused and frightened horse I would find this laughable. For both the cold people with their pre-judged action of shits and giggles filmed for youtube or the gullible who reason that that this is right.

My point is what kind of weirdos will film themselves sparking an electric prod off a barbed fence before shooting footage of a horse getting the same and laughing about it too, regardless of the horses manners (and frankly he didn't appear more than slightly hesitant eitherway)?

Why is that acceptable?
Click to expand...



^^^ well said ..101% agree ..
 
minigal said:
Oooh I am not knocking it if it works! However I have found it amusing to watch a pony (and it's normally a tiny little thing with a very smug expression) being run towards the ramp and it grinding to a halt yet again. It will, of course load in time but only when it feels the time is right and it has driven its poor handler (normally a flustered mother) to tears of frustration.
Click to expand...

LMAO :D Been there, done that....sooooo many times! ;)
 
varkie said:
I truly don't see how anyone can justify the use of a cattle prod - on any animal.

And I think minigirl makes a great point - this isn't about picking the better form of abuse, it's about saying a cattle prod isn't an acceptable tool when working with a difficult loader. Just because it may be less cruel than other methods doesn't make it ok! It is still wrong.
Click to expand...

Totally agree with that.
 
I have not read all the replies on this thread but a few, my family and i have lots of horses between us i bring on and sell and my dad runs point to pointers so am used to dealing with all types.

I have seen all types of extreme behaviour especially from young tbs who can really throw the toys out of the pram and display sometimes dangerous behaviour while i do not condone letting horses walk all over you resorting to this type of training or even trying to justify it as being better than a beating frankly shows a lack of horsemanship.

Myself or any of my family have never had to do either even when dealing with fit hyper racehorses playing up.

I also buy from some of the not so nice markets often buying unhandled horses and youngsters so have seen the rough handling funnily enough in any situation we still never have to resort to this type of handling it is lazy as far as i am concerned.
And yes we have had lots who have exhibited bad agressive behaviour but still have never needed to behave in such a stupid way,and i have no stuck up thought that we are some amazing unique people just sensible firm fair and patient.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top