can i have some help and suggestions please?

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my partner and i have recently got a puppy, he is 20wks old, and we are his 4th home, he has had very little human interaction in his previous homes and has been locked in the kitchen in at least one of his previous homes with no human contact other than feed times,
he isnt house trained, he will go outside if he is outside when he needs to go which he gets lots of praise for, otherwise he is really secretive about going to the toilet and wont ask to go out, and will sneak into the bathroom or kitchen to go (the floor is tiled in both rooms)
he is also very nervous, basically anything outside the house is scary

so does anyone have any suggestions to help get him toileting outside and help him get over his fear of everything that makes a noise

choc chip cookies if you got this far
 
Socialise socialise socialise, training classes, positive focus rewards for focusing more on u than the scaredey objects and remain calm and neutral in your body language.
Indoors, he is sneaking off for a reason, he does not wanna pee infront of u, keep all doors closed and when u are in with him restrict his movement to the room u are in at all times, if u see him circle, get restless, then straight out, u can help correct it, if u see th signs, if u dont, u cannot guide him, it's done and gone. If u pop upstairs place him in crateor restricted area, take the oppurtuntiy away but give plenty to go out, not as in leave door open, but more structured like u letting him out.
I would also crate train when u are out to teach im to hold or create a small confined space.
Never let him out of your sights when u are there.
When u do release him to toilet, then "cue" "go wee wee"
 
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Poor little man must be so confused and scared. 4 homes already in his short little life. I suspect he will take a while to settle, he will be waiting to be moved on again. Listen to Auntie Cayla and you won't go far wrong. :D Pics please if he will let you point a camera at him. By the way this is not mockery, I have a 16 year old horse who is verry camera shy and runs off if you point one at him!! :eek:
 
twisteddiamond said:
Thanks cayla, he panicks if left alone and will try to dig his way out of the crate when the door is shut so crate training is slow going
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Try when you are in the room with him for starters, so when yo are watchin v on a night, put him in after his exercise, let him have his tea in there and give him a kong or bone, let him see u are in the room whilst he is in the crate, and place a cover over the crate which will very slyly cover the whole crate gradually, allowing u to leave the room with out him realising. Again if u go with a bedroom crate, cover it, and when u eventualy put him in the kitchen, using the same cover he will be less likely to distinguish where he is, its all about trickery.;)
This is by far the most effective and user friendly way to use the crate with dogs with heightened SA. Get your self a DAP plug in for beside his crates.
Crate him in the car as another positive association of him going somewhere, its all crate training witout him twigging on:D
Ps I can get reasonably cheap crate and you are up the road from me, if u want more crates give me a shout:)
 
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You're just up the road from me! How is he when out of he house, with other dogs etc?

Echo Cayla, our pup was 13 weeks when we got her and pretty timid in new places - not as bad as what you describe though. For the first month I took her everywhere I went and exposed her to as much as possible and this really helped. She benefited greatly from having plenty of play with my friends young, gentle but confident dog too.

Seems like he may have had some pretty negative "toilet training" in the past :mad: poor little thing.

Pics?
 
It sounds like he has been reprimanded for going in the house. So will still go in the house, but try not to alert you to the fact :(

Mine was dodgy in the house to start with as where he used to live, the patio doors were open all day and he could go in and out as he pleased so it was a matter of watching his behaviour constantly, taking him out when he sniffed and circled, and tonnes of praise (peeeepeeeee! - that won't be cool when he's big :p) when he does go.

As mentioned, tonnes of socialisation, get him out and about as much as you can, short car journeys, seeing people, dogs etc.

My fella can kick up stink in the crate for the first few minutes, I sit in the room with him and put a towel over it and do not respond to tantrums.
I also feed him chicken wings in there, if he hears me saying 'get into your bed' he goes crazy and runs in there to wait for his food!

Hope his breeders know/have been notified about his crappy start and will be more choosy with their homing next time, well done for doing right by him x
 
CAYLA said:
Try when you are in the room with him for starters, so when yo are watchin v on a night, put him in after his exercise, let him have his tea in there and give him a kong or bone, let him see u are in the room whilst he is in the crate
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i have been letting him eat etc in the crate, hes fine in there while we are watching tv and will happily sleep in the crate while the door is open, as soon as the door is shut he start panicking and digging, he managed to take a chunk out of his tongue somehow when the door was shut

CAYLA said:
Crate him in the car as another positive association of him going somewhere, its all crate training witout him twigging on:D Ps I can get reasonably cheap crate and you are up the road from me, if u want more crates give me a shout:)[/
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i dont have a crate small enough to fit in the back of the car without putting the seats down so i need to measure the space available without the seats down
 
I'm guessing he's had his jabs? Could you organise to meet some people with their friendly dogs on neutral territory like that fab nature park at the top of Lobley Hill? Loads of space and not noisy or scary there.
 
CaveCanem said:
It sounds like he has been reprimanded for going in the house. So will still go in the house, but try not to alert you to the fact :(


Hope his breeders know/have been notified about his crappy start and will be more choosy with their homing next time, well done for doing right by him x
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he doesnt even make like he needs the loo, he just vanishes, so i am having to keep him with me all the time (not good for getting any work done lol). His breeder gave him to me when he was brought back so she is aware of the rubbish start. he has been getting plenty of socialisation, he came up from his breeders on the train with all the ppl coming back from download wanting to give him a stroke, which he was completely fine with, he isnt scared of ppl (unless they are coming up from behind him) and i have been making sure he gets out and about and sees as much as possible
 
Bop! said:
You're just up the road from me! How is he when out of he house, with other dogs etc?

Seems like he may have had some pretty negative "toilet training" in the past :mad: poor little thing.

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he is very timid out of the house, much stopping and commando creeping, with other dogs if they look friendly he is fine and will make friends and try to play, if they are agressive/bark at him he will run away with his tail tucked right up to his belly squirting wee as he goes

he had a really bad tummy and had an accident in the living room in front of me and he ran up stairs and hid under the bed so i dread to think what they have done to him
 
Am always out and about weekends/evenings with mad springer, she is friendly, submissive and loves to play. Pm if you want to meet up some time :)
 
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