Can somebody explain sales to me?, York?

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I really like the sound of a couple of horses at York sales on Friday.
Has anyone being/going who can talk me through what happens?

I've never been to an auction before so dont really know what to do.

Do I have to take the horse home on the day, because I dont have any transport at the moment.
And do I have to pay extra after I've bid? Like if the horse was £100, would I have to then pay £130 for the auctioneer or anything?

Thank you, I'm completely clueless :)
 
Unless you find a very accomodating seller who will keep the horse or transport it for you, then yes absolutely the horse is yours once the hammer goes down so you have to take it there and then. You may have to pay VAT on the sale PLUS the auction charge, that varies. Alot of horse sales are still in guineas so that also makes the price a tiny bit more that you think.
 
yes you have to pay more on top of the price. Normally you take the horse with you. I would ring them and ask if they have transporters on site (some do) also ask about what their sales charge is etc, I seem to remember there is VAT on some of them too

Personally wouldn't go to buy if I didn't have transport sorted to return home with me.
 
helloamys - IMHO I think you should probably avoid the sales:o If you really think you must go, take someone with you who knows what they are doing, what your capabilities are, what your expectations are, and - most importantly - the most you are prepared to pay!

There will be a commissioning cost which should be stated in the catalogue, you will need to pay on the day (plus commissioning) and you will need to vacate the sales by a specific time - again this will be stated in the catalogue. Bear in mind that you can get swept along in the heat of the moment and pay considerably more than you intended to for the completely wrong kind of gee :( :eek:

Good luck whatever you chose to do. :)
 
Try phoning the Auctioneers. When I was contemplating going to the sales in Leicester, I phoned and asked everything I wanted to know. They couldn't have been more helpful and even offered to meet me there and point out which sellers to avoid and which ones were ok.
He also said that there were many transporters there specifically to take horses to their new homes who he could introduce me to.
I didn't end up going, but if it were something I was going to do in the future, I would phone up and ask away again.
 
You normally have to make yourself known to the auctioneers before the sale if you are going to bid. These sales are a mine field if you dont know the ropes.
 
Thank you for all the replies :)

I might just go with a friend for a look about this time, no rush to buy :)
And I might give them a ring, hope they are as helpful as the ones you rang, CeeBee.

And if I do see something that I absolute must buy because its absolutly perfect in every single way and ticks every box, I'm sticking to my budget... hopefully :D
 
I am off to York on Friday, horses are sold in guineas so £1.05. Auctioneer will say at start of bidding if a lot is eligable for VAT (and will say in catalogue if they are entered early enough)
RE commision - this is paid by the vendor or always was no buyers commision (that's where the guinea comes in at a guess)
Horses are to be removed on sale day although they will allow an over night stay (at a cost) if you speak to them, saying that there are generally 2 or 3 transport guys there and again if speak to auctioneer before sale starts he will give a shout out to the ring so you can find a transporter before bidding.
I will say tho looking at the catalogue an awful lot of the entries are dealers and the type that shunt horses from one sale to the next.
Go with your eyes wide open and thoroughly check any paper work straight away. Also do not even contemplate one without warrenty it is sold as that for a reason and you have no comeback what so ever (not that you have a great deal with a warrenty but it helps)

ETA: Go for the breakfast it is yummy - that's all I go for
 
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dizzydonkeys said:
I am off to York on Friday, horses are sold in guineas so £1.05. Auctioneer will say at start of bidding if a lot is eligable for VAT (and will say in catalogue if they are entered early enough)
RE commision - this is paid by the vendor or always was no buyers commision (that's where the guinea comes in at a guess)
Horses are to be removed on sale day although they will allow an over night stay (at a cost) if you speak to them, saying that there are generally 2 or 3 transport guys there and again if speak to auctioneer before sale starts he will give a shout out to the ring so you can find a transporter before bidding.
I will say tho looking at the catalogue an awful lot of the entries are dealers and the type that shunt horses from one sale to the next.
Go with your eyes wide open and thoroughly check any paper work straight away. Also do not even contemplate one without warrenty it is sold as that for a reason and you have no comeback what so ever (not that you have a great deal with a warrenty but it helps)

ETA: Go for the breakfast it is yummy - that's all I go for
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Thanks for this :)
The info about transporters was very helpful aswell

If you see someone wandering about, clearly clueless, quite possibly with a pony that Ive accidently bought - it'll be me :)

Are you going to buy anything in particular?
 
Hi,

We go to York most months and have bought nearly every time we go (oops).

Be very careful though you need to be or have some one who is very knowledgeable about horses with you, although there are some very nice horses to be bought quite cheap there are a lot that go to the sale for one reason, a quick sale because something is wrong. There are also a lot of horse dealers that go to York and I’m pretty sure some of the horses may be "doped" so be careful.

The bids are in guineas which are £1.05, the 5p covers the auction commission, which is due from the seller.

At York you do not need to register to bid, you just need to turn up and be able to catch the auctioneer’s eye!

You do have to take the horse with you, once you have won the bid the horse is your responsibility, but the stables don’t close, so if you bought you can always stay with the horse whilst a friend goes to get transport for him, even if you’re stood with him all night. I do believe you can leave them overnight but I’m not sure what the charge is.

They do have a fab tack auction on starting at 11am and sometime you can get a real bargain, also the breakfasts are to die for.

Hope this helps.

P.S Just be careful its so tempting to bid on them all!
 
york sales is one of the better sales but dont let your guard down. The horses are sold in guineas still which i think is (correctme if im wrong) £1.05. im unaware or any extra charges at york sales. I bought one from there last year and just paid what the hammer went down at. There is people at york who do transport but they are expensive and you have to book them relativly quickly or they get full. or you can get the auctioneer to put an announcement out that you are looking for transport and some private people may help you out
 
Thembu said:
Hi,

We go to York most months and have bought nearly every time we go (oops).

Be very careful though you need to be or have some one who is very knowledgeable about horses with you, although there are some very nice horses to be bought quite cheap there are a lot that go to the sale for one reason, a quick sale because something is wrong. There are also a lot of horse dealers that go to York and I’m pretty sure some of the horses may be "doped" so be careful.

The bids are in guineas which are £1.05, the 5p covers the auction commission, which is due from the seller.

At York you do not need to register to bid, you just need to turn up and be able to catch the auctioneer’s eye!

You do have to take the horse with you, once you have won the bid the horse is your responsibility, but the stables don’t close, so if you bought you can always stay with the horse whilst a friend goes to get transport for him, even if you’re stood with him all night. I do believe you can leave them overnight but I’m not sure what the charge is.

They do have a fab tack auction on starting at 11am and sometime you can get a real bargain, also the breakfasts are to die for.

Hope this helps.

P.S Just be careful its so tempting to bid on them all!
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I think I might go there early so will probably go to the tack auction, and I have to get a breakfast if they're so highly recommended :)
Are you going this Friday?

I just got a pretty standard email off them, not very helpful at all so might ring for more information.
 
No not going Friday cant get the time off work :(

But think the others from our yard are going.

Theres generally plenty of people that work there wandering round in dark red polo shirts/ stock jackets and their there to help so just ask if you want to know something
 
Sorry EW1801, but if you think York is one of the better one's, I hate to think what the others are like. Over the last few months, this place has become an absolute disgrace! The stuff that goes on here is unbelievable and the auctioneers don't give a monkeys, as long as they are bringing in the cash! Someone bought a Dutch horse recently that turned out to be something else, but definitely NOT the horse on the passport!! It was only when she tried to change ownership details on the passport that it was discovered. She's now left with a horse of unknown breeding,age,anything!! Someone else let a retired horse go on permanent loan to a "lovely lady", who wanted it is as a companion to her others. The "lovely lady" promptly doped it & put it through York! The person who bought it ended up with a permanently unsound horse that needs constant medication. He asked the particular vendor at the sales last Friday for his money back & he was promptly beaten up in full view by the "lovely lady's" other half & his other dealer friends!! If you were there, you may have seen it going on!! Horses are being brought here from as far afield as Scotland & Essex!! Ask yourself why!! Long gone are the days when you would go here to buy a nice, cheap horse!! I bought here 2 years ago & friends have bought here since & once the powders or dope had worn off, NONE of them were suitable to keep. One spent all its time on it's back legs, another would take your face off soon as look at you & the story goes on! Sorry to witter on, but until people stop going here & buying, the problems are going to carry on!! Please do not buy from this place. If you see something you really like, get the vendors details & go & buy it from their premises the following day. If they are reluctant to let you do that, be suspicious! Would you sell your faithfull friend through there? Doubt it! I'd have mine shot first!
 
I went on Friday and expected it to be a lot worse from all the horror stories I hear about.
I didn't buy anything, I wasn't in the position to that week but I'll be going again in a few fridays time.

Obviously we've had different experiences of York Sales but I liked it
 
Depending on the sale, and the conditions of sale should be in the catalogue, if not ask to see them. Horse can be sold with a warrenty, the autioners usually says, 'warranted sold sound and quiet to ride', and depending on the price sometimes you have between 24 and 48 hours to send it back if its not as discribed. Sold with no warranty you have no come back.
Most of the horses that go through sales are from dealers but coming up to Christmas and just after you can get some good one from normal homes which for one reason or another they can not afford or want the ag of selling privately. Its for the buyer to sort out who's telling the truth and its it cheap enough to take a risk.
When I had more time I used to go to them on a regular basis, you get to know who are the dealers, and if the auctioner 'runs up' the bidding.
I have only ever bought once at auction, in foot and mouth year,and was pleasently surprised at what I ended up with. I actually ending up selling him on for a small profit, which was a first! He was a nice horse that had fallen on hard times and just needed to be found the right home.
So even more than normal buyer beware.
P.S If the auctioner will let you pay by credit card it may be worth it for the extra protection on the Consumer Credit Act even though you pay have to pay extra.
 
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