Can someone give opinion on this horse for sale (video)

[ponynutz]

I've not got a good eye for conformation issues so I won't weigh my two pence in but I like him and would go and view if I was looking for a happy hacker that had the oomph to do some fun rides and maybe some very low-level stuff

 

[equinerebel]

I think he’s very sweet

 

[silv]

Or he is a young uneducated and unbalanced horse being rushed by the leg with a rider who needs to get her head up and looking forwards and a bend in her arms and her hands off his withers. He is doing his best despite being hindered by his rider. Slow it all down, back to basics with a lot of transitions along with thoracic sling exercises and suppling work. He appears to be golden in traffic and generally a pleasant chap, No one can tell if he would vet and there is one confo point that no one has highlighted as yet that may or may not be a concern for the future.

For the money he is worth looking at and must be vetted.

agree 100% 6 months of decent flatwork and he will be a different horse, would get him vetted however.

 

[Birker2020]

Not keen

 

[Traks]

Search [Content removed] on the Facebook dodgy dealer pages and a LOT will come up, not positive either I’m afraid.

I was going to say he seems too cheap but if he’s a full TB that may explain it.

 

[Birker2020]

Search [Content removed] on the Facebook dodgy dealer pages and a LOT will come up, not positive either I’m afraid.

I was going to say he seems too cheap but if he’s a full TB that may explain it.

You say that but everything i see on dodgy dealers is positive and I have been looking on four sites.

 

[Lauraback]

I think he’s sweet and trying his best, green in the school, nice attitude, could be fine for low level stuff but definitely vet before purchase

 

[Fizzandfun]

I’m not experienced enough to comment on his conformation but video which edit short clips and use slow-motion are Red flags to me.

 

[FestiveFuzz]

Glad to see others have said his backend looks “off” as I thought the same but couldn’t pinpoint what exactly was making me think that. As for the seller, she’s not the worst but we live not too far from where she’s based and I have some friends with interesting stories. All got their money back eventually but was a bit of a faff.

 

[Lois Lame]

Something I wonder is, why is he walking so slowly passed the trucks? Why not striding out? That's how it looks to me.

 

[adamntitch]

is it just me that found it weird that a tractor with trailer a lorry then what looks like a skip lorry going past just as she hacked that area all 3 at the same time

 

[Birker2020]

is it just me that found it weird that a tractor with trailer a lorry then what looks like a skip lorry going past just as she hacked that area all 3 at the same time

Yes I did wonder that myself but think its coincidence. Isn't it quite a busy road?

She has a lovely horse for sale, Maverick. I've not seen a video as I'm not looking at he moment as we've too much on. But she does have a very good reputation.

 

[Archangel]

I like him. Definitely worth a look.

 

[sollimum]

He looks sweet and kind - the jockey is competent though. I think she prefers to trial but if you are able, I would go and view.

 

[Trouper]

To me he looks very tight behind the saddle and consequently I agree with those who say the back end just does not look right. That is not to say that with the right work - and some body work etc - he could not be a different horse. I would want an x-ray of his back whatever the vet found. Sorry, but I also think a better rider would help - the poor horse can hardly go forward with his head so far behind the vertical and with a horse who is currently so much on the forehand it does not present a good picture.

Having said all that, I think that with a fair vetting he could be a nice bet - but then I am a sucker for a grey and like to have some challenges to work on!!

 

[Windy day]

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She’s reasonably alright but definitely 5-stage vet, she’s buyer beware when it comes to that. I had one from her when I was first looking (about 3 years ago) with an interesting problem. Also, as far as I know, she does do her returns and she does refund (eventually), but it takes a while and is quite stressful. However, the one I got did seem to be as described in terms of temperament, but I only had her for 2 days.

Something does look a bit off about his movement. I’m thinking back end, but I’m not sure which leg or exactly where or what could be going on. Just be sure to vet, whatever you do.

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[tristars]

Poor lad looks overwhelmed, rushed around for a sales video, by a strong rider

To say much more I would want to ride him in a far less demanding way allowing him to put his head where it suits him without using a strong leg pressure and let him move unhindered by the overbearing contact

On the part going across a field no hands he looks better with his head free, all that downward riding is stopping him stepping under himself and finding a better balance

He is incredibly green and unfit looking, but must be a saint, he looks so honest and willing

If he had his chance for a months turnout, teeth, back check etc quiet lunging fun with poles and walks in hand around a new home, then bought back into work low key to work on fitness build some muscle, new relationship etc could be a very different picture

Some these sales horses have had a disrupting time, been ridden by all sorts, and need some rest and processing time, then come down to relax in a new home.

I do think he has a natural jump, how good depends on improving his dressage

 

[AdorableAlice]

Poor lad looks overwhelmed, rushed around for a sales video, by a strong rider

To say much more I would want to ride him in a far less demanding way allowing him to put his head where it suits him without using a strong leg pressure and let him move unhindered by the overbearing contact

On the part going across a field no hands he looks better with his head free, all that downward riding is stopping him stepping under himself and finding a better balance

He is incredibly green and unfit looking, but must be a saint, he looks so honest and willing

If he had his chance for a months turnout, teeth, back check etc quiet lunging fun with poles and walks in hand around a new home, then bought back into work low key to work on fitness build some muscle, new relationship etc could be a very different picture

Some these sales horses have had a disrupting time, been ridden by all sorts, and need some rest and processing time, then come down to relax in a new home.

I do think he has a natural jump, how good depends on improving his dressage

Spot on. Far too many people ignore the way the horse is being ridden and cannot see a horse being forced into an outline it cannot cope with. Any horse will benefit from hacking across various terrains being allowed to sort his own balance out long before getting into the school and being driven downhill into a so called outline. The school is a safe place to teach the stop, go and turn, then they need to go out and learn to balance, think and trust the rider before coming back to the school for refinement. That is what happened years ago long before schools existed. The refinement was then done on a flat grassy field.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Many of us can acknowledge that the horse is indeed being forced into a tight outline that is most uncomfortable for him.

Whether that is partly to cover up an underlying unsoundness or not is the thing.

Given that horse to play with I’d love to let him decompress and to be allowed to move, but I would be prepared for him to show up not right when I did that.

He could be a lovely horse, but it’s a gamble.

He does seem to have a golden temperament, which is a huge plus.

 

[Gloi]

is it just me that found it weird that a tractor with trailer a lorry then what looks like a skip lorry going past just as she hacked that area all 3 at the same time

I get that a lot when I hack. Vehicles stuck behind a tractor. Doesn't seem odd on a busy road.

 

[ihatework]

Many of us can acknowledge that the horse is indeed being forced into a tight outline that is most uncomfortable for him.

Whether that is partly to cover up an underlying unsoundness or not is the thing.

Given that horse to play with I’d love to let him decompress and to be allowed to move, but I would be prepared for him to show up not right when I did that.

He could be a lovely horse, but it’s a gamble.

He does seem to have a golden temperament, which is a huge plus.

Precisely.
The horse is in for sales. It's uneconomic to do anything else (unfortunately). The crummy side of horses. No-one with the knowledge, skill, time and mind would be paying 7K to pick him apart and put him back together on what is presented in that video, you would just buy nice blank slate 3yo instead if you have any sense.
But he does seem very very genuine (caveat being he has a competent sales rider on him) and therefore if you want a happy hack then temperament has to be high on the must haves.

 

[ester]

and pretty much all buyers will want to see w/t/c in a school on a professional sales vid, if there wasn’t you’d wonder why

 

[tristars]

He looks kind of Irish overall, and has that lovely innocent look in his eye

 

[EventingMum]

I would view him with an open mind at that price but want a thorough vetting if I liked him. One thing no one has mentioned is that as he's with a dealer he may well be wearing a saddle that isn't ideal for him. Obviously dealers won't have tack fitted to each horse that comes through the yard and a correctly fitted saddle can make a world of difference along with some physio and a good farrier. He could be an entirely different horse in a relatively short period of time.

 

[Caski]

How many horses in the sub £10K bracket are 'perfect' these days?

As others have said, he probably needs a bit of Dr Green downtime and then ridden away with care and consideration.

I don't think we have ever bought a perfect horse, there has always been something to manage, but that's part of developing a relationship with another sentient being.

Just my thoughts - I'd certainly give him the benefit of the doubt subject to vetting.

 

[KC31]

Or he is a young uneducated and unbalanced horse being rushed by the leg with a rider who needs to get her head up and looking forwards and a bend in her arms and her hands off his withers. He is doing his best despite being hindered by his rider. Slow it all down, back to basics with a lot of transitions along with thoracic sling exercises and suppling work. He appears to be golden in traffic and generally a pleasant chap, No one can tell if he would vet and there is one confo point that no one has highlighted as yet that may or may not be a concern for the future.

For the money he is worth looking at and must be vetted.

The best response. Poor boy is being pulled apart on what isn't the best of videos. He looks a lovely sort and is doing all that is asked of him by what isn't the best of riders. Which of course is what the good sales people will always use. He is young and weak. I would be viewing him for the job they want. But as always vet and get a professional opinion and don't expect a ready made horse, he is one that needs time and proper work.

 

[Trouper]

Poor lad looks overwhelmed, rushed around for a sales video, by a strong rider

To say much more I would want to ride him in a far less demanding way allowing him to put his head where it suits him without using a strong leg pressure and let him move unhindered by the overbearing contact

On the part going across a field no hands he looks better with his head free, all that downward riding is stopping him stepping under himself and finding a better balance

He is incredibly green and unfit looking, but must be a saint, he looks so honest and willing

If he had his chance for a months turnout, teeth, back check etc quiet lunging fun with poles and walks in hand around a new home, then bought back into work low key to work on fitness build some muscle, new relationship etc could be a very different picture

Some these sales horses have had a disrupting time, been ridden by all sorts, and need some rest and processing time, then come down to relax in a new home.

I do think he has a natural jump, how good depends on improving his dressage

Put so much better than I did!!.

 

[Hay25]

You say that but everything i see on dodgy dealers is positive and I have been looking on four sites.

Somehow if there is a negative post she gets its removed and the comments get turned off (can onlty assume she is friends with the admin)

 

[Johnny's Star]

Somehow if there is a negative post she gets its removed and the comments get turned off (can onlty assume she is friends with the admin)

I can tell you that there are currently a number of unhappy customers. The 14 day trial contract assures refund within in a week if horse returned. Money is not refunded in time, and customers describe having to send frequent messages, being offered installments, only to find that payments promised don't appear in their account. Some have been reimbursed over periods of months, others are still waiting. So however good the reviews and promising the horse seems I have to strongly advise against taking up the 14 day trial. I'm not commenting here on other aspects of the business, such a buying from a viewing without the trial period, but having neither the horse nor the thousands of pounds she fails to refund is unacceptable. I'd ask the forum moderators not to remove this warning. It's only offered to protect others and can be fully evidenced by correspondence. Removing these warnings puts forum members at risk of significant financial loss.

 

[onemoretime]

I can tell you that there are currently a number of unhappy customers. The 14 day trial contract assures refund within in a week if horse returned. Money is not refunded in time, and customers describe having to send frequent messages, being offered installments, only to find that payments promised don't appear in their account. Some have been reimbursed over periods of months, others are still waiting. So however good the reviews and promising the horse seems I have to strongly advise against taking up the 14 day trial. I'm not commenting here on other aspects of the business, such a buying from a viewing without the trial period, but having neither the horse nor the thousands of pounds she fails to refund is unacceptable. I'd ask the forum moderators not to remove this warning. It's only offered to protect others and can be fully evidenced by correspondence. Removing these warnings puts forum members at risk of significant financial loss.

I completely agree with this.