Can someone PLEASE tell me where to buy a young 15hh quality cob

I true cob good enough to show is a very rare thing as despite its size and substance it have to move really well, and not run as if its got wellies on.
I have tried to breed one, out of a Connemara mare, stallion a graded traditional CHAPS. It was the mares first foal and the jury is out whether he is going to be a very nice show hunter/sports pony or fill out and be a lightweight show cob. The things I do know are that he moves and he has a lovely unfussed temperament, but it may take another two years, his four this time for him to truly finish growing. As he is now the chances are I would never get what he cost me to produce, because he's a cob so they must be cheap.
I think that good horses are never cheap, so finding a diamond in the rough, if its actually there to buy will have a premium. The poor market has made it so no one wants to pay the covering fee and everyone has breed so many coloured that are under 14 there are no 15.2+ cob mares solid to breed from, I'm looking.
 
AdorableAlice said:
They are both cobs, the lightweight has more quality than the heavy, neither would be out of place in cob classes.

Here is an example of a vanner, this is not a cob. It is a heavy horse x. You will see this type at bin end sales, probably not as tall but very similar in type. If you compare this to the pictures of the cobs, there is a big difference in type.

Sourcing quality cobs is difficult, breeding them is almost impossible, although I am hoping I have managed it.

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They're all nice looking, i can't fault that! My point is I personally and a couple of people I know, don't get on with them temperament wise. I just wanted to point out that they're not usually the laid back, ploddy, obedient types most people assume they are.
 
Ponycarrots said:
They're all nice looking, i can't fault that! My point is I personally and a couple of people I know, don't get on with them temperament wise. I just wanted to point out that they're not usually the laid back, ploddy, obedient types most people assume they are.
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A horse can only be what he is trained to be.
 
Ponycarrots said:
Nope; 100% serious.
If I said I hate TBs no one would have a problem. But god forbid someone disses cobs!!!
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No it's your poor attitude to come on a thread about someone looking for something specific and start slagging them off.

I wouldn't have the two horses you posted photos of earlier if you paid me. I wouldn't have been so rude as to say so, but it seems like you don't care about anyone else's opinion so I'm sure it won't bother you.

My coloured cob is the sweetest and most gentle horse I've ever met. She is completely bomb proof in all situations, easily jumping a metre track at 5yrs of age and has the talent to go far in whatever I fancy, she is forward going, brave and 100% honest and genuine. Previously I had a Welsh D who I also loved and adored.

I would take exception to your attitude whatever you were being rude about if I saw it. However I wouldn't be reading a thread about a breed or type I wasn't interested in and I expect the majority of people reading this thread will have an interest in and will like cobs.
 
FfionWinnie said:
No it's your poor attitude to come on a thread about someone looking for something specific and start slagging them off.

I wouldn't have the two horses you posted photos of earlier if you paid me. I wouldn't have been so rude as to say so, but it seems like you don't care about anyone else's opinion so I'm sure it won't bother you.

My coloured cob is the sweetest and most gentle horse I've ever met. She is completely bomb proof in all situations, easily jumping a metre track at 5yrs of age and has the talent to go far in whatever I fancy, she is forward going, brave and 100% honest and genuine. Previously I had a Welsh D who I also loved and adored.

I would take exception to your attitude whatever you were being rude about if I saw it. However I wouldn't be reading a thread about a breed or type I wasn't interested in and I expect the majority of people reading this thread will have an interest in and will like cobs.
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I wasn't being rude AT ALL! It was an honest question! Like I said if OP is struggling to find a quality cob, why specify a cob? Why not get another breed that will do a similar job?
Now someone corrected me and said because she wants to show cobs. That's a fair answer, and I understand that, that's fine.
Also, I didn't post any photos of horses? Dunno where that came from lol.
One more thing...I wouldn't be jumping a 5 yo cob over 1 metre tracks...not good for young legs!!!
 
Ponycarrots said:
considering she said cob, not welsh D, dales, ID X etc, I assume she means a gypsy cob)

No one has actually given me proper reasons why anyone likes cobs that much.
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Lesson 1: Never assume. when i think of a cob i think of something similar to what AA posted, although little smaller.

Why on earth should someone give you reasons to justify why they want a particular type? Its got nothing to do with you.

Oh, by the way. I can't stand Arabs. I mean why would anyone want such a ugly thing? :P
 
AdorableAlice said:
Sadly there is no quality in any of those.
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Aww, had thought the 2 year old wasn't too bad. But I'm not a cob person, and you are much much more talented at finding beautiful horses! I'll stick with event types :p

I searched 15hh on dondeal and those were the best of a small bunch, might be better to take a trip to Cavan for the sales :)
 
Ponycarrots said:
Not joking at all.
I don't have a preferred type, but after meeting a LOT of stubborn, obstinate, dangerous, nasty cobs i would avoid buying one! And in all honesty I just don't understand the hype. Loads of people I know race about cobs, they think they're all lovely, calm obedient ponies and honestly at first glance they seem to be, but spend more than a few hours with one and you notice they are really stubborn and to me just seem dead in their minds! I can't stand dealing with them.
If I met one that did suit what I wanted, then maybe if go for it, but i just doubt I ever would, I prefer a forward going horse with something about it, a bit spooky, fizzy and fun, intelligent and willing to work, fast and sharp.
I've probably just experienced some mean cobs, like I'm sure there are in every breed. I know a lot of people who'd never buy a tb because of stereotypes, however the tbs I've known have been lovely lovely horses and made perfect sense.But I just seem to get on with hotter, sharper horses. I can't stand misbehaving horses. I don't mind spooking, bolting rearing, bucking as long as it's out of fear or an excuse but when it's just out of laziness, which is what cobs seem to do, I can't stand it.
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Maybe it's your experience with cobs however from my experience with my own gypsy cob yes he can be stubborn BUT he is not nasty or dangerous !
In fact I did not have a preference when I bought him 17 months ago however I was well aware of my "ability" as a rider (having only one year of riding experience at that point and being in my forties !). I thought he would be a "safe" challenge as he was 6 and still green. Now we can hack alone (and have long canters ) , in company with bigger, finer type and keep up. We can go in front when there are scary things that make the other horses too nervous to go past. it did take some work though (napping) but it's definitely worth it when I see other more experienced people too scared to canter (or hack) their finer horses outside the school/arena. Every horse I have seen at my yard have different challenges (note that there is only 2 cobs at my yard), mine is stubborn others are too stressed they can't hack out with them or rearing, etc...
 
Joanne_Stockport said:
Maybe it's your experience with cobs however from my experience with my own gypsy cob yes he can be stubborn BUT he is not nasty or dangerous !
In fact I did not have a preference when I bought him 17 months ago however I was well aware of my "ability" as a rider (having only one year of riding experience at that point and being in my forties !). I thought he would be a "safe" challenge as he was 6 and still green. Now we can hack alone (and have long canters ) , in company with bigger, finer type and keep up. We can go in front when there are scary things that make the other horses too nervous to go past. it did take some work though (napping) but it's definitely worth it when I see other more experienced people too scared to canter (or hack) their finer horses outside the school/arena. Every horse I have seen at my yard have different challenges (note that there is only 2 cobs at my yard), mine is stubborn others are too stressed they can't hack out with them or rearing, etc...
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See that's what I mean; thanks for understanding.
My point was, I dont get on with cobs. Stressing, rearing, spooking, fear etc is fine for me, I can cope. Napping however, with a stubborn horse, just no. Can't deal with it. Then I just feel that I'm making my horse do something he doesn't want to, so why bother.
I think it's great you could get yours going! Honestly! It's just I can't cope with cobs and their stubbornness.
My arab and his spookiness, stress and fizzy nature, that's fine. But stubborn natures? No way'
 
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I don't like Arabs either, I think they are a very flighty breed but are fab for endurance, which isn't what I want to do. But Im not going to have a chat with myself- I can appreciate how they have refined other Breeds and are in the ancestry of a lot of horse breeds but it dosen't mean I have to like them! I especially don't like their dished faces, but again, that is just my view and wouldnt be my choice of horse.
 
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Wonders off to have a 'chat with myself'. My husband just gave me a very odd look.

I think maybe my sarcasm was lost on you
 
only_me said:
I don't like Arabs either, I think they are a very flighty breed but are fab for endurance, which isn't what I want to do. But Im not going to have a chat with myself- I can appreciate how they have refined other Breeds and are in the ancestry of a lot of horse breeds but it dosen't mean I have to like them! I especially don't like their dished faces, but again, that is just my view and wouldnt be my choice of horse.
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Guess what? It wasn't an argument of Arabs vs cobs.
It was a simple comment of why does OP want a cob specifically? Sorry I've offended all you cob people...and btw, my arab may be flighty, but he's the most trusting horse I've known, and out hunting he led all the cob/ID/hunter types past a very spooky area and is usually the only one that doesn't slip over in the mud, trip over etc. that's his intelligence and trust shining through.
 
Ponycarrots said:
That's fine, if you read what I said rather than getting defensive about the fact that I personally don't understand why anyone would specifically want a cob over any other breed, you'd see that I actually asked WHY OP wanted a cob (which, considering she said cob, not welsh D, dales, ID X etc, I assume she means a gypsy cob)
No one has actually given me proper reasons why anyone likes cobs that much. Yes I understand there are bad uns in all breeds and it's more about how the individual horse is raised, trained and it's mindset. All I mean is out of all breeds I've met, cobs have been the hardest to deal with. But that's just me! Everyone is suited to a certain horse and if I don't get on with cobs that's fine, I know a lot of people who are the same. Like I said I also know a lot of people who hate tbs. Everyone who meets my horse says "ooh an arab; they're all fiery/mad" stereotypes exist, and a lot of them are said by people who have met one horse from this breed.
I've met countless cobs. I've owned two! And honestly I just don't "get" them! It's like dealing with a brick wall.
If you can give me a reason what is so great abou them, that's fine, but thus far no one seems to. They just act like a good cob is this enigmatic beast that is seldom seen but when it is seen, it's magical!!!
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To be honest, there is simply nothing you can fault about a good cob, genuine, willing goes like pooh of a shovel, can be as light on its feet as it looks heavy, will jump and clear anything. A good cob is a talented horse and generally comes with not of the pretentious attitudes of many other good examples of their type/ breed. To be honest there is so much more one could say about good cobs, but there are other threads already dedicated to that if you have a mind to learn. This thread however, was not started by you or entitled "Do you like cobs and why?" No, it was started by OP who is looking for a nice cob, all you have done is run her choice down and to some extent belittled her for it and derailed her thread. I can see this is a very important topic to you, so perhaps open a new thread about it or use the search facility to look up shill's thread.
 
Queenbee said:
To be honest, there is simply nothing you can fault about a good cob, genuine, willing goes like pooh of a shovel, can be as light on its feet as it looks heavy, will jump and clear anything. A good cob is a talented horse and generally comes with not of the pretentious attitudes of many other good examples of their type/ breed. To be honest there is so much more one could say about good cobs, but there are other threads already dedicated to that if you have a mind to learn. This thread however, was not started by you or entitled "Do you like cobs and why?" No, it was started by OP who is looking for a nice cob, all you have done is run her choice down and to some extent belittled her for it and derailed her thread. I can see this is a very important topic to you, so perhaps open a new thread about it or use the search facility to look up shill's thread.
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Thanks for answering my question about cobs, seriously, I wish I'd have met one of these cobs.
Honestly though, that's not what I've done. I stated my opinion, I answered people who answered me, and you all seemed to take offence. I did not belittle her thank you very much, I simply asked a question, which someone answered, and that would've been it, but no, everyone had to take offence because you're obviously so sensitive about your cobs which is fine, I'm sorry I offended you. I didn't mean it. People then had to start belittling me and MY choice of horse, which was seriously uncalled for, and honestly you all derailed her thread; not me.
 
Dusty85 said:
I wasn't assuming.
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Yes; assuming your sarcasm was lost on me.
It appears people on a horse thread can't take differences of opinion.

Sorry if I offended anyone! I'm sure I didn't mean as much malice as a lot of people who replied to me did.
 
Personally, I never would have thought much of cobs. That was, up until last summer when I got one on loan while my own horse was lame. 15.1h 10 year old black gelding with a white blaze. He wasn't overly heavy but he wasn't too light either. He took me clear around the intermediate pony club eventing course in Tattersalls after only 3 weeks of riding him, and it was not an easy course! He was an absolute machine and a gentleman to handle. Completely changed my opinion of cobs :) He was sold to England the week after the championships unfortunately, so I had him for a grand total of 4 weeks. He was a little star, 3 double clears eventing at 3 events!
 
Ponycarrots said:
Because she said she was struggling to find a cob!!! I was merely asking why she should keep on struggling to find a cob when there are other breeds that would be just as good or better.
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To be honest, I think it would be ridiculous if op decided to just run out and buy any horse for the sake of it, far better to spend months waiting and searching for what's right than rush out and buy something she doesn't want. Knowing what you like and what you want and having the common sense and. Patience to wait for the right horse is a far more rational and mature thing to do than just buy anything.
 
Ponycarrots said:
I wasn't being rude AT ALL! It was an honest question! Like I said if OP is struggling to find a quality cob, why specify a cob? Why not get another breed that will do a similar job?
Now someone corrected me and said because she wants to show cobs. That's a fair answer, and I understand that, that's fine.
Also, I didn't post any photos of horses? Dunno where that came from lol.
One more thing...I wouldn't be jumping a 5 yo cob over 1 metre tracks...not good for young legs!!!
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I didn't say I was jumping her over metre tracks, I told you she can easily do it. She was doing this prior to me purchasing her.

Have you ever heard the phrase wind your neck in? You have ruined what may have been an interesting thread.
 
Queenbee said:
To be honest, I think it would be ridiculous if op decided to just run out and buy any horse for the sake of it, far better to spend months waiting and searching for what's right than rush out and buy something she doesn't want. Knowing what you like and what you want and having the common sense and. Patience to wait for the right horse is a far more rational and mature thing to do than just buy anything.
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Yes, and my point was, does it have to be a cob?
Apparently yes it does, as she wants to do cob shows. My point was, get a horse that's right, don't just buy for the breed. But if she wants to do shows, then obviously she needs a cob.
Happy?!
 
FfionWinnie said:
I didn't say I was jumping her over metre tracks, I told you she can easily do it. She was doing this prior to me purchasing her.

Have you ever heard the phrase wind your neck in? You have ruined what may have been an interesting thread.
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Oops, sorry. Hope you get over it.
 
Ponycarrots said:
Guess what? It wasn't an argument of Arabs vs cobs.
It was a simple comment of why does OP want a cob specifically? Sorry I've offended all you cob people...and btw, my arab may be flighty, but he's the most trusting horse I've known, and out hunting he led all the cob/ID/hunter types past a very spooky area and is usually the only one that doesn't slip over in the mud, trip over etc. that's his intelligence and trust shining through.
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Do you know what pc, get off you high horse.... Arabs... I adore them and never ever give up an opportunity to ride one when offered they are bouncy and fun! TB's Hmm not so much but I sure do appreciate a decent tb x... Now that's a great mix if mixed with the right partner! I've owned tb x, worked with Arabs, ridden tb's and whilst I would happily buy the right cob, if it presented itself, I would always start my search with the finer types, a nice tb x sports horse... But as for piggy stubborn and nappy sure cobs can sure try it on but the worst cases I've seen are the hot bloods when they get a bee in their bonnet, and I've seen less Bucky, bolty rearing cobs, again that medal goes to the hot bloods. I've seen the good and the bad in many breeds perhaps you need to broaden your horizons so you can have a better knowledge and experience base from which inform your judgements and statements
 
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