can you recomend me a .....

They still have to exercise to GET muscle.

You can give a horse protein but unless used, it'll be pissed out along with the rest of the stuff it doesn't need.
 
i know and have been lunging him and slowly trying to get him to build muscle .....
i would rather feed a supplment than a feed
 
You don't need a supplement....you need to work him in the correct way.
Lunging alone will not build muscle, nor will any supplement. Decent food....and proper work will do that.
 
Gwniver...

Your questions about lunging were answered by quite a few people who were willing to help and you practically dismissed every one of them blaming your new trotter x who can't be lunged with one line.

Now, you seem to be asking what to feed to MAKE this horse better. Someone has suggested a supplement which may help, but ultimately Joanne has hit the nail on the head about feeding a decent diet. Grass has more than enough protein to "build" these muscles you seem to need.

DO you have any idea what you are doing?

I am truly convinced you should not have this horse and you are trying your hardest to wind everyone up.
 
I know exactly what i am doing!!I!! Don’t want to one line lunge because it unbalances the horse, my trotterX has never learnt to one line lunge and never will.
I was looking into getting a equiami training aid but people on here said that i could achieve the same with 2 line lunging now I find out I should lunge in a pessoa or similar .....Now I am confused!!! But for you info tallyho I am not trying to wind anyone up just find the best solution for my horse.
 
gwniver said:
I know exactly what i am doing!!I!! Don’t want to one line lunge because it unbalances the horse, my trotterX has never learnt to one line lunge and never will.
I was looking into getting a equiami training aid but people on here said that i could achieve the same with 2 line lunging now I find out I should lunge in a pessoa or similar .....Now I am confused!!! But for you info tallyho I am not trying to wind anyone up just find the best solution for my horse.
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One lunge line does not unbalance the horse. That's a preposterous comment.

You can teach any horse to lunge using one line, it's like teaching a horse to lead.

Yes, I said you can achieve the same using two lines on your thread about it.

So... if you can;t lunge with one line, why would a pessoa or equiami help you??? As you can only use ONE line to lunge with those.

The best solution for your horse AND yourself is if you get someone experienced to help you and show you what to do.

This forum is not the place for YOU as you don't seem to take anything on board people have suggested and frankly, you will end up with a problem on your hands with feeding this horse up and not being able to handle it.

I am concerned for you.
 
I consider single line lunging the second worst piece of horsemanship there is. Just think about it and it’s obvious.

A secretary working with a telephone propped to her ear, balanced off her shoulder for any amount of time generally gets a crick in her neck and a backache. Hang the weight of even a light long line on one side of y our horse’s head for any amount of time and it will affect how the horse carries its head, which in turn will affect hot its body travels as well – out of balance.

Double line lunging (also called ground driving) incorporates a long line of each side of the horse’s body allowing it to move in a natural and balanced manner. This is what we desire. The horse will be more comfortable and able to concentrate on his lesson and the messages your are transmitting through long lines.

Don’t forget that you can continue to incorporate your body language in the driving or blocking positions as additional communication aids. On double long lines you can teach and the horse can learn contact. On a single long line, you can non-abusively only teach voice commands while your horse is circling – constantly out of balance.
 
Excellent googling.:)

I lunge with one line.....none of my horses get "unbalanced" or one sided because I work both sides equally
It takes longer to master with some horses.....my Arab used to do "wall of death" speed lunging but now he's able to stretch down and I can alter his pace and stride using voice commands......

There isn't always a shortcut....
 
Pumping a horse full of protein isn't going to help it gain muscle, you need to work the horse correctly for that protein to do any good. If you feed him the supplement/feed without working him properly its just going to go straight through his system and do no good whatsoever, and you will be wasting your money.

Work the horse properly and you will gain muscle and get him fit.

Whats wrong with taking your time with a horse? Jeez. :o
 
Very simply put.....a GOOD diet, and a GOOD exercise plan is what will build the correct muscles in your horse. There is NO magic fix, supplement or shortcuts to a well muscled, fit horse
Lunging is really neither here nor there. He needs to work in a school, or even out on a hack, and taught how to go in a "correct" way in order to be able to develop his topline and back muscles. Everything else will come after.
I think your best bet for both you and the horse is to get a damn good instructor to come and assess you both and help you put together a plan of action.
 
Look, OP, Enfys is right...

But it does seem that you don't take anything on board when people try to help you. I know you're only 13 and in your past threads I have admired that you are trying to do well by this horse, but I just think you need help getting this horse lunging correctly either with a lunging kit or with long lines. You just seem to dismiss anything anyone suggests to you. You said he is only 4 and still has some growing to do, so why are you pushing him so hard right now with supplements and lunging?

i mean i know it's none of my business but you did ask...
 
TPO said:
Sorry, didn't realise there was "previous" on this subject and took original question at face value.
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I don't think its so much as 'previous' But from what I can gather, OP is only 13? And is obviously a young teen asking for advice on a forum..
Even if an OP has 'previous' or whatever that means, shouldn't all questions be taken for face value? and the OP not scrutinized (sp?) Just because of her previous posts?
 
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I don't think its so much as 'previous' But from what I can gather, OP is only 13? And is obviously a young teen asking for advice on a forum..
Even if an OP has 'previous' or whatever that means, shouldn't all questions be taken for face value? and the OP not scrutinized (sp?) Just because of her previous posts?
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Yes they should be taken at face value and I have done just that each time... Why don't you have a look at my replies to her previously before you make your judgement?

I have been trying to help in the best possible whay I can whilst trying to have the horses interest at heart.

I have suggested a trainer but she says she can't afford one and has a very green standardbred who won't lunge properly yet she still wants to get a Pessoa-style aid. Now she wants to feed a supplement to build topline? People are making very sound suggestions and the OP does not seem to take any notice... Hence my comment about perhaps a forum is not the best place for her to be coming to for such advice :)

Well, I guess you can only try and help so many times before you wonder what is really going on.
 
ok here we go .........I can afford a instructor but there isnt one in my area whos principles i belive in .

i dont ''want '' a pessoa style training aid but i have had a couple of people suggested it to me so i asked here what they are about/which one to use and if i should.

I can lunge my horse I just don’t one line lunge him, I am allowed that opinion aren’t I ??

I have been going very slowly with him but he lost all of his muscle over winter and now has a very weak muscles so I came on here to see about a equiami aid again the answer was no you can get the same affect from two line lunging so I tried that and got him working nicely on that ....

I have been researching building muscle and it said the horse should have enough protein so again I asked on here got some good answers and no now i will not be feeding and supplement now I have heard all your answers.

and my very green standard bred has with me overcome his : cantering problems , his eating problems, his bucking problems , his napping problems , his spooking problems , I could go on but I think I have done very well with him considering !!
 
That's great news. Glad you have progressed.

What I am trying to understand is the contradiction you have with one line lunging and Pessoa style lunging aids... They all require one line lunging. My thoughts are that you have based your opinion on poor foundations, but that is my opinion. So, anyway, you can't really use those gadgets if you don't want to use one line.

Personally, and others have said it too, your horse is bound to look like a "credit card" at the moment as he's still young and rangey, but he will fill out in time. Carry on what you are doing, make sure he has enough good forage and the muscle will come. Spring is just around the corner. He'll look fantastic come the summer.

Have you got a photo of him now?
 
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