Can you show a hogged horse in hunter classes?

[Breagha]

As title.

Said horse is 16hh and chunky pure ID. We had planned doing maxi cob but Blair doesn't have a class to suit.

TIA

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Not high level showing no at local level you would probably get away with it.

 

[shortstuff99]

I'm curious to know when Irish Drafts became cobs? I see that a lot now and they never used to be.

 

[Breagha]

Not high level showing no at local level you would probably get away with it.

I thought that this was the case but wanted to double check. He is just too big for the cob type class at Blair. He will just have to do the working hunter only.

Thanks

 

[Breagha]

I'm curious to know when Irish Drafts became cobs? I see that a lot now and they never used to be.

I think it depends on their size. Murphy is 16hh, 10" bone. So he doesn't fit in hunter classes very well (he would still do it if it was the only class). But we hogged him as the bottom of his mane doesn't grow well (think the section a has a lot to answer for that). We may grow out his mane over winter if we can't get him in classes this year.

 

[rara007]

I'm curious to know when Irish Drafts became cobs? I see that a lot now and they never used to be.

I think there’s always been RID ‘proper’ cobs. They’re draft horses after all.
This was one we had on loan- measured in as a cob not a maxi and was in his prime in the 2000s.

 

[Breagha]

This is Murphy. He is going down a slight hill but trying to find a side on picture was impossible lol.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I would grow his mane and plait him he would be able to do hunter classes then, he looks more Hunter type than a cob to me.

I like the picture

 

[Breagha]

We are a bit unsure as when I google hunter horses this is what you get

• A lightweight should be able to carry up to 12st 7lb, stand around 16-16.2hh and have about eight and a half inches of bone under the knee.
• A middleweight hunter stands around 16.3hh, can carry between 12st 7lb and 14st and has around nine inches of bone.
• A heavyweight stands around 17hh, has nine to nine and a half inches of bone and is capable of carrying more than 14st.

Murphy is 16hh and 10" bone, so not sure which category we would be able to put him in.

 

[Breagha]

He is the bit gentle giant and so good with my daughter, she bosses him around and he just goes with it. He is an ex stallion as well. lol

 

[shortstuff99]

I think there’s always been RID ‘proper’ cobs. They’re draft horses after all. View attachment 74032
This was one we had on loan- measured in as a cob not a maxi and was in his prime in the 2000s.

I get you, but to me a draft is not the same as a cob and seeing pictures of them I'm not even really sure they look like traditional show cobs. It has been a long time since I've done cob showing but my very good quality LW Show cob looked nothing like them now ?‍.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

I used to have a beautiful ID x tb. He was 3/4 tb. He was always referred to as a cob!! Not by me!!

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

We are a bit unsure as when I google hunter horses this is what you get

• A lightweight should be able to carry up to 12st 7lb, stand around 16-16.2hh and have about eight and a half inches of bone under the knee.
• A middleweight hunter stands around 16.3hh, can carry between 12st 7lb and 14st and has around nine inches of bone.
• A heavyweight stands around 17hh, has nine to nine and a half inches of bone and is capable of carrying more than 14st.

Murphy is 16hh and 10" bone, so not sure which category we would be able to put him in.

I see what you mean he should really be a lightweight but his got too much bone, we need someone who shows hunters.

 

[Breagha]

I see what you mean he should really be a lightweight but his got too much bone, we need someone who shows hunters.

Yes this is the issue I have. Its all too confusing lol

 

[L&M]

Tbh maxi cob is the proper class for him....at local level he may do well as he is/hogged etc, but his measurements are not right for a ridden hunter and you will never be able to alter that.

Have you considered Working hunter classes instead? I have a 15.1hh l/w cob x connemara - in summer he looks like a cob (usually carrying too much weight!), but when he is hunting he looks more like a pure bred connie. I have had a lot of success at local level doing 'working hunters' with him as he is a fab jumper and has often beaten larger, typier horses who don't jump as well. However at a higher level I don't think we would have a look in.

Just a thought.....

 

[Breagha]

Tbh maxi cob is the proper class for him....at local level he may do well as he is/hogged etc, but his measurements are not right for a ridden hunter and you will never be able to alter that.

Have you considered Working hunter classes instead? I have a 15.1hh l/w cob x connemara - in summer he looks like a cob (usually carrying too much weight!), but when he is hunting he looks more like a pure bred connie. I have had a lot of success at local level doing 'working hunters' with him as he is a fab jumper and has often beaten larger, typier horses who don't jump as well. However at a higher level I don't think we would have a look in.

Just a thought.....

Thanks - he is planning doing the novice workers at Blair I think. We were just thinking of entering a ridden so he had a couple things to do.

Maxi cob is what we were planning when we did take his mane off (all new to me). I have a non native coloured so fairly straight forward.

He is going to a show next weekend to do workers and a "cob type" ridden. X

 

[L&M]

Thanks - he is planning doing the novice workers at Blair I think. We were just thinking of entering a ridden so he had a couple things to do.

Maxi cob is what we were planning when we did take his mane off (all new to me). I have a non native coloured so fairly straight forward.

He is going to a show next weekend to do workers and a "cob type" ridden. X

Hope it goes well! Forgot to say my lad is hogged too.....

 

[Leandy]

I would think the answer to "can you" is yes, but it is not correct and at anything more than local level it won't go down well. I think your greater issue is that he is simply not the right shape and size for a show hunter. He is not big enough for a MW nor quality enough for a LW.

 

[Breagha]

I would think the answer to "can you" is yes, but it is not correct and at anything more than local level it won't go down well. I think your greater issue is that he is simply not the right shape and size for a show hunter. He is not big enough for a MW nor quality enough for a LW.

What do you mean by quality enough for LW? Do you just mean he doesn't fit the description?

 

[AdorableAlice]

I'm curious to know when Irish Drafts became cobs? I see that a lot now and they never used to be.

The best show cob that has been seen for years is full draught. Chestnut gelding Hallmark. Just died.

 

[shortstuff99]

The best show cob that has been seen for years is full draught. Chestnut gelding Hallmark. Just died.

It's very sad that he has died and I feel for all of his connections, but I took a look at him and he looks like an obese draught and not a cob ?.

 

[AdorableAlice]

Hallmark.

 

[shortstuff99]

Hallmark.

Yes I saw that picture, I'm thinking if he was at a slimmer size he wouldn't look 'cobby' at all.

 

[Breagha]

This is a screen shot of a video I took the other day whilst lunging Murphy.

 

[L&M]

Whatever the rights or wrongs are, he is a lovely stamp and just my type!!!!

 

[Errin Paddywack]

The best show cob that has been seen for years is full draught. Chestnut gelding Hallmark. Just died.

As a matter of interest, any idea how big Hallmark was as he looked huge in that photo?

 

[Breagha]

Whatever the rights or wrongs are, he is a lovely stamp and just my type!!!!

Thank you. He is probably the nicest horse to deal with on the ground out of all the ones I have had and once my husband has had. shame he had a year off due to bad farriery and then COVID.

 

[Leandy]

What do you mean by quality enough for LW? Do you just mean he doesn't fit the description?

Well yes, I mean he is not the right type. He is smaller and chunkier and a less refined type than they are looking for for a LW hunter. We can't see from a still picture how he moves and holds himself but that is relevant too. There are many lovely horses out there who are not show horses because they don't fit the mould and don't have the presence of a show horse.

 

[Tiddlypom]

He's a grand stamp of a horse. He may well not pigeon hole into a precise class for showing, though. You can regard that as a lucky escape from the ridiculousness of facey judging and obese horses .

 

[shortstuff99]

This is a screen shot of a video I took the other day whilst lunging Murphy.
View attachment 74482

He is going to make you a great horse whether you show or not. Looks a lovely sort.