Canine Intervention - Netflix
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CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
Oh lol that's the guy who tells everyone he invented place boxes 
He's not doing anything that trainers on the continent have not been doing for decades, looks flashy, does a bit of ringsport-style decoy work. I'd actually never heard of him until my hairdresser stuck this on in her house thinking I'd enjoy it while my dye was on. Not the best, not the worst and some of it made me laugh out loud.
I'm going for the Shania Twain defence, that don't impress me much....
He's not doing anything that trainers on the continent have not been doing for decades, looks flashy, does a bit of ringsport-style decoy work. I'd actually never heard of him until my hairdresser stuck this on in her house thinking I'd enjoy it while my dye was on. Not the best, not the worst and some of it made me laugh out loud.
I'm going for the Shania Twain defence, that don't impress me much....
Birker2020
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The show has had some very bad criticism for his training techniques with people saying he is using dangerous and outdated methods of training.
I just wondered if anyone else thought that?
There were a couple of areas where I thought he was on thin ice especially with rehabbing the pit bull that had killed another dog. I could understand the reason for the pit bull killing the dog (his reasoning was correct, I felt) but I also felt that if you are going to rehome a pit bull or any other breed that needs consistent and fair handling then you will need to select the owner very carefully and ensure that they are prepared to continue the training and more importantly have the time and the knowledge and patience to be able to continue the training. None of the dogs are miraculously 'cured', they will all need continuing development and I think that is where the danger lies in seeing this and thinking that he has 'saved' the dogs.
Having said that, I really enjoyed watching it, I must admit.
I just wondered if anyone else thought that?
There were a couple of areas where I thought he was on thin ice especially with rehabbing the pit bull that had killed another dog. I could understand the reason for the pit bull killing the dog (his reasoning was correct, I felt) but I also felt that if you are going to rehome a pit bull or any other breed that needs consistent and fair handling then you will need to select the owner very carefully and ensure that they are prepared to continue the training and more importantly have the time and the knowledge and patience to be able to continue the training. None of the dogs are miraculously 'cured', they will all need continuing development and I think that is where the danger lies in seeing this and thinking that he has 'saved' the dogs.
Having said that, I really enjoyed watching it, I must admit.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
I think I saw Diesel, Nino and Heaven and didn't see anything that made me go OOF.
Having said that I was also texting a few people at the same time asking 'who IS this guy?' and talking to my hairdresser at the same time.
I do think he has a very interesting back story, if it is legit, and welcome more diversity in dog training.
If it's OK for an actress to become a beloved TV dog trainer, ho hum.....
ETA: Don't forget it's being made for television in a country where people generally have very short attention spans.
No dogs with issues are miraculously cured, it's almost always continuous management and agree TV producers would do well to maybe explain that a bit better in this type of programme.
Having said that I was also texting a few people at the same time asking 'who IS this guy?' and talking to my hairdresser at the same time.
I do think he has a very interesting back story, if it is legit, and welcome more diversity in dog training.
If it's OK for an actress to become a beloved TV dog trainer, ho hum.....
ETA: Don't forget it's being made for television in a country where people generally have very short attention spans.
No dogs with issues are miraculously cured, it's almost always continuous management and agree TV producers would do well to maybe explain that a bit better in this type of programme.
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skinnydipper
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I don't have Netflix so I had a quick look to see if I could find anything about his training methods.
https://www.tierimrecht.org/en/news...s-in-dog-training-series-canine-intervention/
https://www.tierimrecht.org/en/news...s-in-dog-training-series-canine-intervention/
twiggy2
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The following sentence yes yes yes and yes again
Why don't people realise that it makes the problem worse when dogs shut down, close up, don't express emotions through fear, the dog you can read becomes a dog that gives no warning before exploding?
''Time and again, it has been found that dogs that have been trained with intimidation and violence are not “cured” afterwards. On the contrary, their problems are suppressed by it.''
Read more at: https://www.tierimrecht.org/en/news...s-in-dog-training-series-canine-intervention/
Why don't people realise that it makes the problem worse when dogs shut down, close up, don't express emotions through fear, the dog you can read becomes a dog that gives no warning before exploding?
''Time and again, it has been found that dogs that have been trained with intimidation and violence are not “cured” afterwards. On the contrary, their problems are suppressed by it.''
Read more at: https://www.tierimrecht.org/en/news...s-in-dog-training-series-canine-intervention/
twiggy2
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I have now OP.
why the trainer never addressed the owners need to constantly be in the dogs face I dont know, he wouldnt have got bitten in the face if he had had a little more sense.
the dog with the prong collar on at the opening training class is a no for me as it the very narrow slip collar the dog was wearing in the training they did with her and the kennels are not set up would also be a no for me.
I wonder how the dog is doing now?
why the trainer never addressed the owners need to constantly be in the dogs face I dont know, he wouldnt have got bitten in the face if he had had a little more sense.
the dog with the prong collar on at the opening training class is a no for me as it the very narrow slip collar the dog was wearing in the training they did with her and the kennels are not set up would also be a no for me.
I wonder how the dog is doing now?
some show
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There's a change.org petition to get Netflix to remove the show which has over 55,000 signatures. These kind of dog training shows (like Cesar, and that Graeme Hall here) are popular because they appear to get quick results, as opposed to positive reinforcement based training which is comparably slow and so boring to watch (for most people!). But as twiggy posted above, aversive measures don't tend to have a lasting effect even though they may appear in the moment to cure the problem.