Canker - any positive outcomes?

Shay

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It appears my beloved old pony has canker. We've been treating what we thought was deep sulcus thrush for about 12 weeks, it would clear intermittantly and then return. To say I am devastated is an understatement. He's an old boy - he's 29 - but semi retired and in good health. Cushings test negative (I have him checked every year). Out during the day - fields are dry - in at night. No other health problems. He isn't lame with it - but doesn't particularly like his heels being poked.

I've doubled his bed with deep fluffy shavings to keep it as dry as possible. His shoes are coming off on monday - hopefully he'll cope OK. We pick out and treat twice daily.

Vet has given me a receipe for a home made solution of iodine, surgical spirit and metrodinazole so we're trying that for a bit to see how we go. Using a needleless syringe to get the solution right into the soft bits. I did try Artimud a few weeks ago but packing the sulcus seemed to make things worse - I assume now that perhaps I didn't have it clean enough. I did have a good response from Kevin Bacon's hoof solution when we thought it was thrush but it kept breaking through.

I am horrified, devastated, motified - all the expletives you like - to have put him in any way at risk. I really need to hear some positive outcomes. Any other suggestions? I'm looking into herbal supplements to boost immunity. We're dry right now but once the winter mud comes would hoof boots keep the mud out? or just give the canker a warm wet place to be? Keeping him in isn't a hardship - he thinks room service is actually quite nice - and he can have a leg stretch / roll in the surfaced schools.

Reading through - horrified as I am I do recognise that actually it isn't very bad in him. His heels are soft and there is a small weepy bit at the top. There is cream cheese like ick in the sulcus when we pick out. Vet has not (yet) suggested having to operate. I'm hoping to get this under control long before that. I know I have to be a bit patient and not switch treatments all the time - but I'm just desperate to help him!

Please be kind - you can't make me feel any worse!
 

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Sorry I have no experience of canker but do wonder if you have had the ACTH test done for PPID? If so, that is known to give false negatives. I would have the TRH - Stim test done, we did that with our Appy mare and she was 8 times over the normal limit, while she had repeatedly come back within normal range on ACTH test.
I hope you get it sorted soon.
 

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I've witnessed debriding by the vet followed by Red Horse Field Paste clear up a case of Canker. Vet was amazed, the had been discussing PTS. Not sure if it would work without the debriding but could be worth a try.
 

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Sorry I have no experience of canker but do wonder if you have had the ACTH test done for PPID? If so, that is known to give false negatives. I would have the TRH - Stim test done, we did that with our Appy mare and she was 8 times over the normal limit, while she had repeatedly come back within normal range on ACTH tes

Thank you - I did know about the false negatives. Pony shows absolutely no other clinical signs and because I have him done every year at the same time of year (and have had since he turned 18) I have a really good base line of data of what is normal for him. I don't pay any attention to the "ranges" I look at is he inside or outside what is normal for him. The theory being that even with the odd false negative I should still be able to see a year on year change if there was one. And he does have no other signs at all. But certainly not going to rule it out!
 

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I had a case that looked just like canker pictures, little fingers of flesh. I stuffed his manky clefts full of copper sulphate crystals for a few weeks and it dried right up.
 

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Thanks ycbm.

How long do you think I should give each treatement to decide if it is working? I'm wondering if I kept swiotching too frequently in the first 12 weeks. I'm so desperate for a solution but I also know I need to give it time!
 
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